ISIS and Islamic militants - discussion

John40 · 24 Sep 2014 at 13:39

Mynight said:
Indeed I completely agree. As such I support the bombing to the extent we don't risk our soldiers lives. I do not support hurting civilians.

The thing that wories me about stepping back and letting them crack on is we essentially are allowing them to wipe out a competing ideology and consuming their resources. If we haven't invaded/ bombed them they will eventually turn their full attention towards us but with a much greater ability to inflict damage.

It's a lose lose.

It certainly is a lose lose, we couldn't just sit back and let them kill millions because eventually it would be that many.

I'm afraid the muslim problem is not going away we'll be fighting them for ever in one way or another as they are the one religion that refuses to leave the middle ages.

Mynight · 24 Sep 2014 at 13:41

John40 said:
It certainly is a lose lose, we couldn't just sit back and let them kill millions because eventually it would be that many.

I'm afraid the muslim problem is not going away we'll be fighting them for ever in one way or another as they are the one religion that refuses to leave the middle ages.

I assume you meant extremists rather than muslims?

John40 · 24 Sep 2014 at 13:47

Mynight said:
I assume you meant extremists rather than muslims?

They are extremists and they're all muslim.

Mynight · 24 Sep 2014 at 13:49

John40 said:
They are extremists and they're all muslim.

But not all muslims are extremists is what I was trying to get at

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scorza · 24 Sep 2014 at 13:50

Deep said:
We don't know until we try

What do you think we'll discuss?

Obama: What do you want?
IS: To kill all kuffir, all non-Sunni women to be our sex slaves, to crucify anyone who doesn't follow Sharia law
Obama: well I think we can find some common ground there somewhere.

AdladUK · 24 Sep 2014 at 13:53

Everything else aside, I'm genuinely curious what the pro-intervention guys think will happen in the long run.

Do you really believe this will destroy ISIS or moreover religious extremists in that area? And if so what happens when the next group forms (case in point Khorasan)? Is there ever an end to spreading freedom by dropping bombs and playing World police?

Why exactly will this turn out any different than trying to rid Afghanistan of the Taliban?

John40 · 24 Sep 2014 at 13:55

Mynight said:
But not all muslims are extremists is what I was trying to get at .

Quite correct, but at 2.2 billion there are going to be many millions who are either sympathisers or actively engaged in terrorism.

antijoke · 24 Sep 2014 at 13:58

DisrupTor75 said:
When are they going to get it through their thick heads that the reason for all this happening in the middle east is their foreign policy. You cant just attack a country, kill it's citizens and expect everyone to thank you for it.

So all this would stop and their would be instant peace if the US stopped everything relating to foreign countries?

These guys would just be like, oh OK, we'll stop now.

phill1978 · 24 Sep 2014 at 13:59

balky12 said:
It's going to run out one day. I would rather be the side that has the most...

I don’t disagree in principle but in practice id rather be in a society of nations that use science and make things not rely on oil so much. At the moment the barbarity is coming from both sides we need it for just about everything. Some of the richest family groups in America recently joined forced with many other companies to work on investing in renewable and green energy systems. We will eventually not rely on it so much. Clearly there is a massive amount of profit to be made in ecological solutions and systems also.
Perhaps much more so than oil, so it will happen, its just which company will be holding and monopolizing the green power first ? sitting on the fence is clearly no longer and option for some.

Its something to invest in right now to be the market leader.

also the US has enough oil of its own, when it runs out over in the middle east nobody will give to cents about them and they will all fade into the deserts and the bbc will stop running stories about that and start running stories about local flooding and how we all need to invest in X companies renewable green energy plants to save the environment and pay more green taxes

Until that point the thinking is probably that its best to use everyone else before you use your own, hence where we are today.

balky12 · 24 Sep 2014 at 14:07

phill1978 said:
Snip.

Sorry dude I was being facetious. Totally agree with you though.

SPG · 24 Sep 2014 at 14:17

Mynight said:
But not all muslims are extremists is what I was trying to get at .

Really, I don't see a huge UK Muslim regiment ready to March off and sort out the place.

We will always be fighting Islam it is not compatible with free will.

phill1978 · 24 Sep 2014 at 14:20

balky12 said:
Sorry dude I was being facetious. Totally agree with you though.

ah ok lol i missed that

lets lighten the tone:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cartoon/2014/sep/24/first-dog-terrorism

just to balance out all the knee jerking right wingers in here

... i kid.

its still about oil.

Mynight · 24 Sep 2014 at 14:22

SPG said:
Really, I don't see a huge UK Muslim regiment ready to March off and sort out the place.

So because they're not off to war they're extremists? :confused:

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balky12 · 24 Sep 2014 at 14:32

Mynight said:
So because they're not off to war they're extremists? .

I once hit my brother because he was doing stupid things. I didn't want him tarnishing my family name.

Same thing.

Mynight · 24 Sep 2014 at 14:35

balky12 said:
I once hit my brother because he was doing stupid things. I didn't want him tarnishing my family name.

Same thing.

You knew your brother though. Not every muslim knows each other despite popular opinion

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I do get your point but if your brother does something stupid your family is not culpable for it.

balky12 · 24 Sep 2014 at 14:37

Mynight said:
You knew your brother though. Not every muslim knows each other despite popular opinion .

I do get your point but if your brother does something stupid your family is not culpable for it.

I was only joking...

He was my step brother so I didn't know him that well...

... and I killed him.

SPG · 24 Sep 2014 at 14:42

Yes. The Islamic way of life is abhortant to me.

There so called values belong in the dark ages.

Mynight · 24 Sep 2014 at 14:52

SPG said:
Yes. The Islamic way of life is abhortant to me.

There so called values belong in the dark ages.

Hmm ok.

SPG · 24 Sep 2014 at 15:13

I am tired of being tolerant of the intolerant. What's so hard to understand.

DisrupTor75 · 24 Sep 2014 at 15:21

anticonscience said:
So all this would stop and their would be instant peace if the US stopped everything relating to foreign countries?

These guys would just be like, oh OK, we'll stop now.

Of course not. But they have clearly created their own monster here. Every time they drop bombs over there the vast majority of those killed are civilians, people like us. Whether that was the intention or not is irrelevant, they are still dead.

Would you feel any sympathy for Americans or British or anyone else in these so called coalitions if it was your mum, dad, brother, sister, daughter or son blown to bits along with your home and probably your friends & neighbors?

No! you would probably be out for blood and banding together with others to take revenge on those responsible. Which only continues the cycle.

And now with Parliament set to be recalled we will no doubt be adding our own bombs alongside the American ones. :rolleyes: