No update has blown the previous gen out of the water, that goes for NVIDIA, amd, apple, Samsung, pretty much 90% of businesses/products in the world.
Some of you just have to whine over everything, its pathetic.
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No update has blown the previous gen out of the water, that goes for NVIDIA, amd, apple, Samsung, pretty much 90% of businesses/products in the world.
Some of you just have to whine over everything, its pathetic.
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Nvidia drop a card for £260+ that is as fast as AMD's highest end card, it uses a lot less power and has newer Nvidia features, I.e Full Direct X12 support, DSR etc. What more do you want? They are beating AMD cards and using much less power doing it, along with arguably a better feature set. Why should Nvidia price them any less? AMD's 7970 came in at the same price point as the GTX 580 3GB (£420+), and at launch the 7970 wasn't that much better, it took a lot of driver updates to get ahead of the 580 by a decent margin. 970 has come in at £260+ and does the same thing to the 290X.. If anything Nvidia's prices are better than AMD's. With the 980 your paying more for less, that trend has always been the same, with the 'Ti' and 'Titan' offering less each time for their price points VS performance, but for those who want the best (Nvidia) they will pay the extra. For everyone else the 970 is ideal..
When AMD can compete again, Nvidia will aline their new products and prices accordingly.
Nvidia have already released their first new parts. It's up to AMD now.
When AMD can compete again, Nvidia will aline their new products and prices accordingly.
Nvidia have already released their first new parts. It's up to AMD now.
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Yup, its hilarious seeing comments as ignorant as this, yeah lets all buy 1 vendors cards so they can own the market and royally screw us for small upgrades in performance yearly. Great idea!
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We need a new player in the game.
How about.....Sega?
How about.....Sega?
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I know that the whole AMD vs nvidia re
ower thing has been done to death, but for me it's what the future holds that is the most worrying.
For now, it's not too big a deal. Sure, the lower power on nvidia is cooler and greener (pun intended). The savings on the card itself are unlikely to be made back on the power bills. But there is a limit on how hot the cards can go, and they are already near that. This means having to sell cards that cost more to produce at a lower price, and so less profit to turn things around. We don't know what is around the corner, but they are already at this point with their CPUs.
A healthy AMD is really important to keep costs down on the two key components in a computer, and I fear that they are going to slowly drift to the sidelines. Much is said about how companies need a Steve Jobs-like marketing visionary to be a success. What AMD need is a modern day Wozniak.
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ower thing has been done to death, but for me it's what the future holds that is the most worrying.For now, it's not too big a deal. Sure, the lower power on nvidia is cooler and greener (pun intended). The savings on the card itself are unlikely to be made back on the power bills. But there is a limit on how hot the cards can go, and they are already near that. This means having to sell cards that cost more to produce at a lower price, and so less profit to turn things around. We don't know what is around the corner, but they are already at this point with their CPUs.
A healthy AMD is really important to keep costs down on the two key components in a computer, and I fear that they are going to slowly drift to the sidelines. Much is said about how companies need a Steve Jobs-like marketing visionary to be a success. What AMD need is a modern day Wozniak.
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Yeah, but it's been matched by what people are calling a mid-range card. After a year the Titan was only match by AMD's top-end card. Where was the criticism from the AMD people then? It was all wonderful and amazing when AMD did it, now it's disappointing?
Oh I did not know this was just a update.
I thought Maxwell card's where Nvidia's next gen product. If they are not then that's ok that they offer the same performance as a year old Amd card. I would not call it whining by the way more seeing what Nvidia have been doing the last two gen's and wondering in amazement why people think it's ok to sell cut down versions of the full fat next gen that they should be offering. But of course it's just an update and not a different gen of cards so that's ok.
A BS merchant in other words?
Oh I did not know this was just a update.
It's a new architecture but still on 28nm, as I told you on the previous page, you aren't going to see massive jumps in performance for the same price bracket until a die shrink.
Big difference would be Titan cost twice as much at launch.
Titan came out at a insane price and these insane prices will only continue when people are buying cut down versions of Nvidia's next gen at the same price Amd sell their high end at launch.
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Fanboy wars are quite fun.
Are you really sure? Are you saying Nvidia does not already have a full fat Maxwell ready with more shaders, rops on 28mm? Me thinks they have.
The days of huge performance increases from generation to generation are long behind us now. They were left behind around the GTX580 / HD6970 era (and arguably before that).
In the future if we see an average improvement from generation to generation of 25% I'll be surprised.
They probably COULD make it, but why would they?
They're currently matching (and beating) AMD's top offering (and their own previous gen top offering) with a much smaller die and significantly reduced power consumption. There is no reason to release a power hungry, hot, expensive and difficult to produce massive die when they're so close to having 20nm ready to go.
They may do but it's still not going to blow the "mid range" 980 out of the water as you said. Also won't be in the same price bracket.
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Big difference would be Titan cost twice as much at launch.
What your missing is that it's irrelevant what tier Nvidia's cards are from as long as they are beating AMD's cards. Nvidia prices them according to how the perform against AMD's stack..
If / when AMD launch better cards Nvidia would have to adjust their own pricing and product stack.
Right now the 970 matches the 290 / 290X and priced at £260+
The GTX 980 has no direct competitor so is priced at £420+
Your move AMD.
Doesn't look likely now. Supply/demand problems in foundry land, the process itself not being well suited to discrete GPUs, better processes becoming available, no evidence to suggest either company has wafer orders in either.
Most likely we will hear rumblings about a shrink (whatever nm it ends up being) towards the end of next year.
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Big difference would be Titan cost twice as much at launch.
But these are enthusiast cards (well Titan and 290X anyway). Price doesn't matter to an enthusiast.
If you think price matters, maybe you're not an enthusiast!
AMD do 1 thing better than Nvidia, price (ok and bus size) and it always seems to be the most important thing in an argument if there's no other way to make AMD win it.
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