Cops shooting unarmed man

It is moronic to believe that only one person plays a part in a situation involving two parties. The guys quick movement changes the dynamic and creates a different situation, the cop accelerates it by some crap choices that shows he should not be in the job.

What utter rubbish. If the cop handled the situation, like he was trained to do, then the bloke wouldn't have gone into the car. He would have been instructed to stay where he was, until vou had a good line of sight, then requested him to slowly reach in and get his license.
the cop cause the situation, no one else.

Quick movement lol. You make it wound like he jumped in, he did nothing of the sort.
 
Yup and that was not done instead the guy was free to just go get his ID by turning quickly blocking the view of the cop... that was the cops first mistake and it was followed by other crap mistakes. I am not disputing that in any way.

What I have repeatedly said is that by his actions the guy changed the dynamic by turning quickly and reaching inside the truck, if he had not done this he could have had control control of the situation where the cop failed... simple.

If you are so blind and so single minded as to not get that, there no point in trying to explain it lol
 
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I never said it can't combust, I'm saying that it doesn't explode/ignite from gun shots.

People believe it does because it's so prevalent in movies and TV series and seemingly get upset when it's pointed out that those things are just make believe for dramatic effect.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShootTheFuelTank

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BulletSparks

Handguns possibly not - don't really know enough about that - but spray some good old 5.56mm around a petrol station type environment and you will probably get some sparks (something I've seen with my own eyes).

EDIT: Yeah chances of anything happening in that manner are very low but not something I'd be inclined to take chances with.
 
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Handguns possibly not - don't really know enough about that - but spray some good old 5.56mm around a petrol station type environment and you will probably get some sparks (something I've seen with my own eyes).

EDIT: Yeah chances of anything happening in that manner are very low but not something I'd be inclined to take chances with.

Read the links, it's shown that that sort of thing just isn't realistic
 
I never said it can't combust, I'm saying that it doesn't explode/ignite from gun shots.

People believe it does because it's so prevalent in movies and TV series and seemingly get upset when it's pointed out that those things are just make believe for dramatic effect.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShootTheFuelTank

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BulletSparks

Mythbusters proved it couldn't happen too. They tried with petrol and got nothing so also established that diesel has even less chance of combusting from a stray bullet. As in no chance.

They even tried the old dropping a cigarette on to a fuel spill thing and that failed to ignite too.
 
3 percent of the population do 60 percent of the murders according to the government statistics (maybe you can guess which 3 percent), yet you're not supposed to profile. I dont know why anyone would want to be a cop.
 
Of course, there is a reason why US Cops are jumpy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1gYEG1TzBk

This Cop hesitated and nearly died as a result!

(The clip also indicates why Cops will, once they have decided to open fire, tend to empty the clip on the suspect and still treat them as potentially dangerous even once the target is down! The Shooter in this case had actually been fatally shot but you would never have suspected that just looking at him!)
 
At least this guy didn't get killed but I am struggling to see the reason for why they police were "concerned for their safety after seeing him repeatedly reach towards the rear seats of the vehicle." He clearly tries to hand them over the ticket and his hands look fairly stationary and not reaching for the back. Smashing glass with two kids in the car doesn't show much concern for their safety considering the situation.

Police sued for using stun gun on man after smashing car window.

I have yet to see the full version which may show the situation in a different light.
 
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At least this guy didn't get killed but I am struggling to see the reason for why they police were "concerned for their safety after seeing him repeatedly reach towards the rear seats of the vehicle." He clearly tries to hand them over the ticket and his hands look fairly stationary and not reaching for the back. Smashing glass with two kids in the car doesn't show much concern for their safety considering the situation.

Police sued for using stun gun on man after smashing car window.

I have yet to see the full version which may show the situation in a different light.

Jeez that was awful. That's one of the things that put's me off visiting the states. It's a Police state.
 
I suspect the Guardian's version has been shortended to emphasise but still, if you were Jamal Jones and a cop presented his gun for a traffic violation asking you to step out of the car - would you? I would damn well stay inside :p:o
 
It was my understanding that the fundamentals of an explosion were that gasses/liquids have to react (expand) very quickly when a source of ignition is presented but that the gas/liquid has to be enclosed with no vent or very little vent for the expansion.

IE - like the firecracker analogy. Make a fist around one and set it off, you will damage your hand, maybe even lose your fingers. Set one off in the palm of your hand and you will get burned and bruised but thats about it. That is why demolition companies tend to drill holes all over the place and then insert explosives rather than just sticking them on the surface of structures.

I was always taught that with petrol, the fumes and the liquid simply burn off when ignited, rather than 'explode'. Of course the caveat to this is if they are in a sealed in an air tight cannister and the heat is applied until flash point. I have no doubt that shooting a petrol tank in a car would cause a fire, but I do not believe it would cause an explosion and this Hollywood effect has been debunked several times in various places.
 
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