You are correct of course but besides the shroud there is noting to go on.
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You are correct of course but besides the shroud there is noting to go on.
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I thought that too until I realized if Nvidia gave us the real top end new architecture first at 970 price's without all this messing then consumers would be getting great value straight away and those who choose Amd or Nvidia or would go for either end up more winners than the way it has been the last few gens. Maybe I expect more as I don't change cards everytime something new appears just to play with it.
No harm in that mate, I mean any GPU from the past 3 years is arguably good enough to play the latest games at 1080P at decent settings. There really isn't a need to upgrade every 6-12 months like some of us do. Each to their own. Some people like the latest some people just happily drop a few settings and save the money.
With regard to the prices, these 9XX cards are priced well imho, they both beat AMD's top end and the 970 comes in cheaper. Can't say fairer than that until AMD respond, then prices will re-adjust. That's just the way it is. The sooner AMD act the sooner we are likely to see another price re-shuffle, until then Nvidia can charge a premium on the 980.
Can't believe your pricing comparison comprehension-it's beyond ridiculous.
Titan launch price-$899-that's what you should be comparing-Like for Like.
97/80 is mid range Maxwell, just because it is faster, it doesn't equate higher pricing than last years competitors fastest solution.
Example:
Amd matched 580 1.5/3Gb pricing with the 795/70 series and got crucified by AMD users, crucified and mocked by Nvidia users for pricing/performance as it only gave a 30% advantage in the case of the 7970/3Gb 580-which coincidently is what the $899 Titan worked out faster than the $549 7970.
Which brings me back to your comparison, the 8800 ultra would be the equivalent of $899 Titan, 8800GTX-990Ti(???) NOT a 980.
980-8800GT/S=$200-$250 with the 970 lower due to disabled cores.
People are happy to pay because gregarious Nvidia supporters are so blind/ignorant to the Nvidia milking going on.
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I have been using 30" 2560x1600 since 2006, the trifire 7950s have been doing very well.
I dont mind paying out big bucks for true custom premium, what i do mind is paying out big bucks for what is the norm and expected progression reference cards which the progression is below what it used to be.
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Or maybe someone in the market for a new GPU spots the GTX 970 and thinks, ooh look that competes with the R9 290X in performance yet only uses about half the power consumption, it's cheaper as well, and ooh look full Direct X12 support and some nice Nvidia features like DSR and Physx, that Physx might be nice in the upcoming Batman: Arkham Knight, Project CARS, Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel and Witcher 3 games
It's a good performer and a good price, surprisingly people will pay for that.. AMD launched the 7970 @ £420+ same price as GTX 980, were you up in arms about the 7970 as well? Or is it just Nvidia GPU's that your angry about?
AMD will launch something soon and no doubt it will be a bit faster and maybe a bit cheaper and normal forum Nvidia hating can resume.. There's really not much to moan about the 9XX series, good GPU's good prices. If you don't like em, don't buy em.
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How is it milking if nvidia's "midrange" cards keep besting AMD's top efforts and they have nothing to respond with?
If AMD would pull their finger out and release a new card once in a while then nvidia pricing would be kept under control
If AMD would pull their finger out and release a new card once in a while then nvidia pricing would be kept under control
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How is it milking if nvidia's "midrange" cards keep besting AMD's top efforts and they have nothing to respond with?
If AMD would pull their finger out and release a new card once in a while then nvidia pricing would be kept under control
So much this ^^^^^^^^^
That wasn't the point of the post to greg.
I agree whole heartedly with what you are saying with why they are buying it.
I went mental at the 7970 pricing actually, and got dogs of stick from AMD users because I slated the **** out of the pricing(rroff might remember the arguments I got into), it should have been £300-£350 max, I bought it as soon as it hit £300.
Coincidently, Nvidia's pricing enabled AMD to do with the 290 series what they couldn't achieve with the 79 series-it enabled them to successfully launch the 290X@$549.
I agree whole heartedly with what you are saying with why they are buying it.
I went mental at the 7970 pricing actually, and got dogs of stick from AMD users because I slated the **** out of the pricing(rroff might remember the arguments I got into), it should have been £300-£350 max, I bought it as soon as it hit £300.
Coincidently, Nvidia's pricing enabled AMD to do with the 290 series what they couldn't achieve with the 79 series-it enabled them to successfully launch the 290X@$549.
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Titan is still a rocking card.
You'd know if you'd ever used one. Here's a leg to stand on.
Now hop along.
If AMD spent half as much on R&D on Hawaii as they did PR maybe they'd price the 290x further out of your reach as well.
You'd know if you'd ever used one. Here's a leg to stand on.
Now hop along.
If AMD spent half as much on R&D on Hawaii as they did PR maybe they'd price the 290x further out of your reach as well.
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Or maybe someone in the market for a new GPU spots the GTX 970 and thinks, ooh look that competes with the R9 290X in performance yet only uses about half the power consumption, it's cheaper as well, and ooh look full Direct X12 support and some nice Nvidia features like DSR and Physx, that Physx might be nice in the upcoming Batman: Arkham Knight, Project CARS, Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel and Witcher 3 games
It's a good performer and a good price, surprisingly people will pay for that.. AMD launched the 7970 @ £420+ same price as GTX 980, were you up in arms about the 7970 as well? Or is it just Nvidia GPU's that your angry about?
AMD will launch something soon and no doubt it will be a bit faster and maybe a bit cheaper and normal forum Nvidia hating can resume.. There's really not much to moan about the 9XX series, good GPU's good prices. If you don't like em, don't buy em.
Yes competition is what drives prices down and tbh atm the 900 series doesnt have much for what you get
Exactly, features aside why pay more for similar perframce, neither of us is arguing buying a 290 over a 970.
I dont remember many AMD users sticking up for the 7970 pricing.
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My 290X is just as good as Titan, so is my other one.
Why the constant poisonous attitude?
If a mod is reading this, why is this behaviour ok?
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Not an awful lot I would hope given the initial outcome.
Undisclosed TDP, cheap reference cooling, cheap IC, reference PCB Tahiti mockups. And probably more unbeknown to myself.
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Competition is not the full equation, what people are willing to pay also is taken into account.
The 970 is a hit because in comparison to current prices from NV its a break from what is expected when NV matches there own last high end with people expecting similar or higher prices from NV for the performance and not less.
The 290x/290r was a shake up from AMD only let down by the stock cooler because after the pricing of the 7970 they expected AMD to try and match the 780 pricing and not come in much lower.
The 290x/290r was a shake up from AMD only let down by the stock cooler because after the pricing of the 7970 they expected AMD to try and match the 780 pricing and not come in much lower.
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GTX Titan followers subsidising the reference 780 cooler Price? ^^^^
What does undesclosed TDP have to do with R&D even if it is, which i don't think it is, its 300 Watts is it not?
Cheap IC? what wrong with the PCB? which well known bencher was it that said AMD PCB's could handle more volts than Nvidia's?
AMD reference PCB's are some of the best from any brand or vendor. If anything its Nvidia who cheap out on reference PCB's.
You haven't answered my question, what is it that the GTX Titan justifies its £450 price premium over the 780?
What does undesclosed TDP have to do with R&D even if it is, which i don't think it is, its 300 Watts is it not?
Cheap IC? what wrong with the PCB? which well known bencher was it that said AMD PCB's could handle more volts than Nvidia's?
AMD reference PCB's are some of the best from any brand or vendor. If anything its Nvidia who cheap out on reference PCB's.
You haven't answered my question, what is it that the GTX Titan justifies its £450 price premium over the 780?
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That wasn't the point of the post to greg.
I agree whole heartedly with what you are saying with why they are buying it.
I went mental at the 7970 pricing actually, and got dogs of stick from AMD users because I slated the **** out of the pricing(rroff might remember the arguments I got into), it should have been £300-£350 max, I bought it as soon as it hit £300.
Coincidently, Nvidia's pricing enabled AMD to do with the 290 series what they couldn't achieve with the 79 series-it enabled them to successfully launch the 290X@$549.
Ah ok fair enough, pricing on GPU's has always been high, even back as far as the 8800GTX days. It's an expensive industry, R&D cost alone, I think Nvidia's 9XX prices are fair at launch, tbh it's up to AMD to launch something now and stir up the market.
I like AMD and Nvidia stuff, and think competition is good, we need AMD to be competitive and launch something decent. I'm sure they will, just a question of how long will it take them?
For most people looking to buy a card now there is no reason to look beyond the GTX 970, the price VS performance is excellent. Not much to moan about imho, come on AMD your move...
I hope AMD launch a GTX 980 for £230 and GTX 980TI for £300 in the next 6 months.
a race to rock bottom prices, thats what i want to see.
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Oh I'm sorry I was under the impression we were in 2014 now, and also that the 780 came 4 months after Titan with less shaders, crippled compute and less memory. One being aimed at graphics professinals and gamers, one at purely the latter. I'm not sure if you're aware how much Quadro cards retail for?
It's a bit late for schooling really. Have to be up at 5.
Edit: I see you're now talking about driving price down with competition. Apply that notion to your questioning on Kepler pricing
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