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People feel like they're getting good value from their purchases so what difference does it make that you wouldn't feel the same in their situation?

With the price single card's have risen to with Nvidia's marketing tactics over the last few gen's that honestly is the 8th wonder of the world.
 
This argument always ends mute, as I am comfortable paying the premium for Nvidia and you less for AMD. Who is getting the better deal both as we getting the product that we prefer
 
It's fine to make your point and I'm sure others agree with you but it's guff like this which makes you not be taken seriously at times.

Nobody is forcing people to buy a nVidia graphics card. It's a (thankfully) free market where the market states the price it's willing to pay and companies deliver products for the market. If people felt shafted they would not return. People feel like they're getting good value from their purchases so what difference does it make that you wouldn't feel the same in their situation?

It would be a problem in a monopoly but the GPU market isn't a monopoly so there is choice for those who do not wish to pay nVidia prices.

You have to remember that not everybody shares your views on value.

A slightly bizarre thing to say.

I know not everybody shares my opinions and values, so its a given that those people are not going to take me seriously, no matter what i say, i would not be so arrogant as to think i can change someone's thinking.
Thats not why i voice an opinion.

Do you expect to change a reader in your opinions?

Besides that i did ask why someone defending the GTX Titans price would think that is justified.

i argued why i thought the reasons given are a bit of a cop-out of excuses.

Thats a debate. nothing more in it than that.
 
Yes, i have a PCS+.

Smashing!

PCS three slot cooler which would not work in my system. Very little difference between the Tri-x and Vapor-x at the time I was buying and I thought very small difference was worth it.

The MSI Gaming card is cheaper, 2 slot, although clocked lower (unless you have an MSI motherboard I believe).

Still, when they were out the reference cooler were the best bang-for-buck 290s. That's surely what you'd get if you were after bang-for-buck, unless bang-for-buck isn't you primary criteria?
 
This argument always ends mute, as I am comfortable paying the premium for Nvidia and you less for AMD. Who is getting the better deal both as we getting the product that we prefer

Correct.

A world in which everyone bought the cheapest stuff that gets the job done would be a very boring one. Everyone complaining about the price must not have many other hobbies because it's the same for pretty much everything, massive price gaps between products that don't offer that much more, but what they do offer appeals to some.
 
This argument always ends mute, as I am comfortable paying the premium for Nvidia and you less for AMD. Who is getting the better deal both as we getting the product that we prefer

I would actually like to choose between Amd or Nvidia but will not pay the premium for their real high end cards when they come out as I don't consider £500 for a single gpu a good price.
 
A slightly bizarre thing to say.

I know not everybody shares my opinions and values, so its a given that those people are not going to take me seriously, no matter what i say, i would not be so arrogant as to think i can change someone's thinking.
Thats not why i voice an opinion.

Do you expect to change a reader in your opinions?

I didn't highlight the specific part I was referring to as I thought you would have the awareness to pick that up but it was this part:

or perhaps its a problem for people to admit to being done over, which i can understand, but then, why keep running back to them like a battered wife?

Really? Over an optional GPU purchase in an open market? The underlying point behind the words (too expensive and defending that expense) I understand but there are ways of putting things if you want to have a serious debate and that certainly isn't it.
 
I would actually like to choose between Amd or Nvidia but will not pay the premium for their real high end cards when they come out as I don't consider £500 for a single gpu a good price.

You do have the choice and your preference is that you not willing to pay the said value for one card. Therefor you get what you buy. :confused:
 
Still, when they were out the reference cooler were the best bang-for-buck 290s. That's surely what you'd get if you were after bang-for-buck, unless bang-for-buck isn't you primary criteria?

Bang for buck first but not the only consideration. Noise and cooling performance as well as long as it add's not much more to the price.
 
I would actually like to choose between Amd or Nvidia but will not pay the premium for their real high end cards when they come out as I don't consider £500 for a single gpu a good price.

But you are choosing between AMD and nVidia then? You're then excluding nVidia on price. Isn't that kind of doing what you're saying you want to be able to do? Colour me confused :D
 
Really? Over an optional GPU purchase in an open market? The underlying point behind the words (too expensive and defending that expense) I understand but there are ways of putting things if you want to have a serious debate and that certainly isn't it.

I thought it was pretty funny, but you can't please everyone.

Its not the expense so much, its the way Nvidia market to justify that expense, its the same way regular users of Nvidia defend Nvidia.

Its the "well we are getting something extra for it" Nvidia say "you are getting something extra for it"

I'm simply stating my case that they are simply giving back what they removed in the first place, for an extra cost.
 
Much higher real top end single card prices from Nvidia over the last few gen's is not my different perspective it's the reality.

Nobody is really disputing that the top end price has gone up though? We're talking about getting value for your purchase.

I thought it was pretty funny, but you can't please everyone.

Its not the expense so much, its the way Nvidia market to justify that expense, its the same way regular users of Nvidia defend Nvidia.

Its the "well we are getting something extra for it" Nvidia say "you are getting something extra for it"

I'm simply stating my case that they are simply giving back what they removed in the first place, for an extra cost.

That wasn't so hard was it?
 
I would actually like to choose between Amd or Nvidia but will not pay the premium for their real high end cards when they come out as I don't consider £500 for a single gpu a good price.

The choice is there for you except you are putting a price point on it :rolleyes:
atm aren't 970's cheaper then a 290x but better/similar at the majority of things? No use saying 900 series isnt top end when it's performing at AMD's top level cards
 
Nobody is really disputing that the top end price has gone up though? We're talking about getting value for your purchase.



That wasn't so hard was it?

Its what i have been saying all along, you have only just come round to realising that.
 
But you are choosing between AMD and nVidia then? You're then excluding nVidia on price. Isn't that kind of doing what you're saying you want to be able to do? Colour me confused :D

Sorry it's late. :) I would like to choose Amd or Nvidia without the Nvidia premium. That's what I meant. :)
 
I also still don't see how people say the 980 is not top end when at present it is Nvidia's top single gaming card. Please correct me if I am wrong. And don't come with stuff that is not released yet as that is not a current purchase choice.
 
Its what i have been saying all along, you have only just come round to realising that.

No - you made a childish remark or two before for reasons I don't understand and have now elaborated the point you wanted to make properly. You've said the same thing but in a way which isn't as likely to start a fanboy war.

Sorry it's late. :) I would like to choose Amd or Nvidia without the Nvidia premium. That's what I meant. :)

The nVidia price is what it is. You can call it a premium or whatever but it simply reflects the price the market is willing to pay for its products. If that price doesn't correlate with your definition of value then of course you're free to buy something else.
 
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The choice is there for you except you are putting a price point on it :rolleyes:
atm aren't 970's cheaper then a 290x but better/similar at the majority of things? No use saying 900 series isnt top end when it's performing at AMD's top level cards

I can't call the 970 a top end card when it performs the same as a 290 launched a year a go but I have said that too many times already. :)
 
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