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new gpu, comp just hard shutdown, why?

mark2410

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so just got new gpu, a 270x. psu is only a 430 so was aware it its more or less making it out. so to test it would be okay i loaded furmark and maxed the gpu and the cpu. it seemed to all run fine.

just there i was testing ifinite crisis and comp suddely powered off. no nice shutdown no beep just off.

i had thought it could be the cpu getting too hot with the gpu now pumping loads of heat out in te the case, was a fair warm droft coming from the top of the case. is it the psu strugling to power it all and keeling over? is there any good way to check? if it is a real problem then to go 750ti or is there a reasonable psu to go for?
 
fx6300, is a bit overclocked never had and issue with though.

cpu cooler i cant remember what it is, its not great, meant more for quiet than super cooling so fan on it doesnt get moving fast.

mobo is an asus m5a97 evo r2.0.

case i cant remember (casecom soemthing) either, its nothing fancy. has a great big vented area on the top of it so case on the whole id think should be okay.

oh and psu is a cx430 which reviews seem to say is pretty good but ive seen people say its crap (when bought was never intended to be driving much so didnt matter)
 
Can you download Intel Burn Test, HWMonitor and CPU-Z

Run Intel Burn test for 3 to 5 Cycles with HWMontor and CPU-Z running, keep your eye on the temperatures i have highlighted. don't let them get to 70c, if they do stop Intel Burn Test.

Put a screenshot here, i want to see what your CPU is doing :)

 
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ohh i tihnk that could be it. got v hot v quick.

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Edit ^^^ useless, with respect. :)

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ohh i tihnk that could be it. got v hot v quick.

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Crikey... that's way to hot :eek:

You shouldn't be running it like that, either your cooler is not much better than the Stock cooler or your airflow in the case is bad. or both...

I think the extra heat from the GPU is pushing the CPU over the edge.

An alternative would be the GTX 750TI as that will dump less heat into the case, but really i think you have some cooling issues that need sorting even with the cooler 750TI, i think its slowly boiling itself to death as it is anyway.

I would go back into the BIOS, Hit F5 to reset the BIOS to stock, then F10 to save it.

Once the CPU is back to default retest it.

Come back to me after that please :)
 
Its better...

It would be useful to know which case you have so i can get a look at it.

How many fans do you have, what size are they and where are they?

You should have al least one fan at the front pulling air in and one at the back pulling air out.

They should be as unobstructed as possible, especially the one at the front, if you have a HDD sitting infront of it move it if you can, if the rack infont of the fan comes out take it out and put the HDD in the optical drive bay if you / it has fittings for it.

All fans should spin up to max when the system is loaded, Asus have a fan profiler in the BIOS and AI Suite, make sure the setting are so that it will spin the fans right up when the system loads up, or disable it so they are always running properly.

Amusing your Fans are the ones that came with the case they are probably pretty basic, think about spending a tenner or so on a more powerful one. (assuming 120mm)

You say the case has a vent at the top? is there a fan fitting? if yes use the front fan (if now spare after getting a better one) as an extra exhaust fan, or intake, try it both ways as you might find intake is better than exhaust as its pulling in cooler air right over the CPU Cooler (this is how i have my top fan set) the one at the back of the case should always be exhaust though.

Lastley, is it still shutting down Ifinite Crisis the way its set now?
 
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right looked up the case. it is a Casecom K5-9388

fan wise, hmm i know it has one at the front but im pretty sure from the lack of annoying light that i disconnected it. (the case was rig got to be a home for old bits so its biggest draw was cheap and didnt look hidious.)

i dont think it has any other fans. the top of the case is all vented though so i would have thought the passive ventilation quite good despite not having a fan attached.

i feel im about to get a telling off.


oh and no hasnt shut down again, didnt even pre stocking the cpu, i did frame limit infinite crisis to 60fps though.
 
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right looked up the case. it is a Casecom K5-9388

fan wise, hmm i know it has one at the front but im pretty sure from the lack of annoying light that i disconnected it. (the case was rig got to be a home for old bits so its biggest draw was cheap and didnt look hidious.)

i dont think it has any other fans. the top of the case is all vented though so i would have thought the passive ventilation quite good despite not having a fan attached.

i feel im about to get a telling off.


oh and no hasnt shut down again, didnt even pre stocking the cpu, i did frame limit infinite crisis to 60fps though.
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If you disconnected the front fan, then i probably don't need to tell you you have no air going into the case at all :D

What's happening is the components inside are getting warm. (as they would) that heat is staying where it originated, it builds and builds... until eventually there is so much heat in the case everything overheats and it goes *dink*

You need fans, at least one at the front pulling cool air in and one at the back pulling warm air out. :)

I really don't know what to recommend re: the GPU's, i think the 270X will work well if you get some airflow into your case, along with it your CPU will also run cooler.

The 750TI while a good chunk less powerful, will put out less heat, but, there isn't a problem with the 270X in terms of heat, its because you have no airflow.

Obviously you have limited time to make a decision, reconnect the fan, see how it goes.

whatever you do.. DO run 2 fans in that case, if you only have one and you don't like the light then spend a little money on 2 new ones, they are not expensive, or just get one and put up with the light. :)

Edit, 120mm fans front and back for that case. the centre bottom rack does come out.
 
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fan reconected. cpu currently at 64 but did hit 67 briefly

running slightly cooler but not by a great deal. the burntest did just get a critical error though, which is new.

ran again, doing 10 runs and it worked fine, again just peaking at 67c
 
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mark2410 said:
fan reconected. cpu currently at 64 but did hit 67 briefly

running slightly cooler but not by a great deal. the burntest did just get a critical error though, which is new.
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I wouldn't worry to much about burntest giving you a critical error; given your situation, the CPU is probably throttling to keep the heat down which can cause burntest to have a hissy fit.

Asus set the max socket temp to 65c, which is a little conservative, when the CPU reaches 65c the BIOS will tell the CPU to kick the multi down a few notches, sometimes it will comply and sometimes it will tell the BIOS what to go do with its self, it has a mind of its own.

Often when the CPU is overclocked its more stubborn, especially if all the *being good to the environment* stuff is turned off, which it usually is if overclocked

Given that its no longer overclocked it may throttle more. again i wouldn't worry about that, other than a performance drop its not going to have an adverse effect. and there isn't much you can do about it other than (improve your cooling).
 
yeah im surprised its getting so hot. the cooler isnt very small. but the fan on it, it just doesnt seem to ever go very fast. im wondereing if its changeable. you wouldnt have any idea about that would you?

(also thank you greatly for the assistance)
 
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yeah im surprised its getting so hot. the cooler isnt very small. but the fan on it, it just doesnt seem to ever go very fast. im wondereing if its changeable. you wouldnt have any idea about that would you?

(also thank you greatly for the assistance)
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According to your HWMonitor its spinning at 2000 RPM, thats normal full speed.

Get a fan behind it for the back of the case to suck out the heat its removing from the CPU.

And your welcome. any time :)
 
it would seem the case came with a 140mm fan on the top of the case. have found that and shall install one this podcast is done. i ithkn a little cable management may be in order.

btw there isnt a away to make 4pin molex connectors connect to mobo fan headers and report rpm data is there? the case fans on it are all 4pin fixed speed things.
 
balls.

just got a bsod with the error, video tdr failure atikmpag.sys

random fluke or is that a sign of the psu struggling? wasnt doing anthyng intensive, just playing a youtube vid.
 
The temp to watch is your Package temp. If mine reaches 76c the PC locks or reboots.

I would imagine that's very, very easy with that cooler you have. I always aim to keep my Package temp around 72c. If I can do that, I'm good.

I would seriously consider upgrading your cooler before you do some permanent damage.
 
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