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Soooo, you're assuming that in media when someone has a cockney accent it isn't coupled with specific behaviour, phrases and mannerisms?
Yes, it's shown in another cartoon that the owner of the house isn't her, but a frog with a secret song-and-dance talent.
Well you don't seem to understand what a stereotype is.
It's no more a stereotype than saying someone born and raised in Liverpool is going to have a scouse accent. It's just a matter of fact. A person born she raised in Manchester isn't likely to have a cockney accent, now are they?
I am with the "I thought she was the owner of the house" crowd.
I appreciate now that yes she fits a stereotype I just do not see the need for the warning. Shock as an old TV show portrays things as of the time it was made! If we are going to go down this route then a warning is going to appear on so many old shows and films.
I appreciate now that yes she fits a stereotype I just do not see the need for the warning. Shock as an old TV show portrays things as of the time it was made! If we are going to go down this route then a warning is going to appear on so many old shows and films.
Soooo, you're assuming that in media when someone has a cockney accent it isn't coupled with specific behaviour, phrases and mannerisms?
I'm not assuming anything. You're changing what I've said then arguing against the changes you've made.
I simply said that a cockney accent by itself isn't a stereotype. What's so hard to understand about that?
But I am from East London and I don't have a cockney accent...
To associate people from East London all having cockney accent's is stereotyping...
Anyways we are moving from the point... but some good debates.
I just think it is petit. An issue here where most people didn't even realise this lady was a maid, nor even dream of associating racism with the classic cartoon, now a victim of todays PC brigade.
Soooo, what you're saying is when he was referring to the cockney stereotype(which we all knew he was doing) he incorrectly just referred to the accent assuming that people would get it and not be butt hurt about his oversimplification?
I don't particularly see an issue with explaining context. I'd rather that than things be edited, censored, or even removed completely.
On the whole I agree, and I think a disclaimer like this is a better compromise than banning or editing.
Warner Bros have been doing this for a while. Their wording is spot on IMO.
The "It was wrong then and it's wrong now" rankles, however, as it smacks of revisionism. While the employment of black maids was being severely questioned by society at that time, it was clearly considered right *enough* to be an uncontroversial thing to depict in an all-audiences cartoon.
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This whole thing is whay out of proportion I bet if it was a sterotypical white english butler instead of said black maid there would be no warning or problem.
Not everyone does but it again depends on the context. Especially by what gig mean when you say "from". Current residence wouldn't specifically mean you have an accent of the area as you could have been born and raised elsewhere. Which is why I said born and raised.
Soooo, what you're saying is when he was referring to the cockney stereotype(which we all knew he was doing) he incorrectly just referred to the accent assuming that people would get it and not be butt hurt about his oversimplification?
I'm responding to what he said, without making assumptions. He said the cockney accent is a stereotype, which it isn't. No one is butthurt either.
If it was just a black maid, there'd be nothing said. There is more to it than the colour and being a maid as has been explained in this thread already.
Soooo, what you're saying is when he was referring to the cockney stereotype(which we all knew he was doing) he incorrectly just referred to the accent assuming that people would get it and not be butt hurt about his oversimplification?
Are you straw man-ing him?
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what more is there too it you never see her face or anything and they never actually state her as the maid as some have said previously when I 1st watched this as a kid I thought she was the owner of Tom and the house she was in.
I'm really not sure what point you're trying to get across anymore. Creating a stereotype is tarring everyone with the same brush completely devoid of context and that includes whether someone is born and raised in the area to which the stereotype refers surely?
Well now that he has elaborated it's even clearer he meat to refer to the stereotype as a whole. So that's a moot point now surely?
Lol @ straw man
Just to clear things up, Deep said:
'Doesn't it have a warning because of the way the black lady talks?
She talks in a stereotypical accent.'
So I just responded how stupid that is because where would it stop?
In this case it was a black maid who had a black voice actor, but yet this is stereotyping and that is bad.
I then brought into it the Cockney stereotyping. People who play characters from East London are portrayed with Cockney accents. So surely this should be wrong? Or atleast now have a suitable warning regarding it. As this is stereotyping. But this example is ok according to society.
Black woman... oh she must sound like a black woman = wrong.
East Londoner... oh he must sound cockney = fine.
I think the whole situation is absurd.
'Doesn't it have a warning because of the way the black lady talks?
She talks in a stereotypical accent.'
So I just responded how stupid that is because where would it stop?
In this case it was a black maid who had a black voice actor, but yet this is stereotyping and that is bad.
I then brought into it the Cockney stereotyping. People who play characters from East London are portrayed with Cockney accents. So surely this should be wrong? Or atleast now have a suitable warning regarding it. As this is stereotyping. But this example is ok according to society.
Black woman... oh she must sound like a black woman = wrong.
East Londoner... oh he must sound cockney = fine.
I think the whole situation is absurd.
Are you straw man-ing me?
