ISIS and Islamic militants - discussion

dowie · 3 Oct 2014 at 21:48

Zefan said:
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29485405

He was the only non-muslim in his convoy, the other convoy members have only ever spoken highly about him; talking about how he was always helping others out, slept in his vehicle as he wanted to save money so it could go towards the Syrian people... nicknamed 'Gadget' AFAIK because he was helping/fixing things. Even resulted in some rather more anti-western/extreme UK based clerics appealing directly for this guy's release...

ISIS are utter utter scumbags

Azza · 3 Oct 2014 at 22:02

As Liam Neeson would say "good luck".

Nitefly · 3 Oct 2014 at 22:05

Do you think Isis are taking more heads because they read on OCUK that the West was going to take their backsides?

ElectroBlaster · 3 Oct 2014 at 22:05

I feel utter sickness over this!.... I found out just now, BBC1 News.

The bloke did not deserve this.... he really did not deserve this!

FoxEye · 3 Oct 2014 at 22:09

ElectroBlaster said:
I feel utter sickness over this!.... I found out just now, BBC1 News.

The bloke did not deserve this.... he really did not deserve this!

None of them deserved it tho did they. It's not like he's any more or less deserving of beheading than any of the others.

At this point I'm really confused as to what ISIS can hope to achieve with these executions.

But then I guess they're called extremists for a reason.

Tefal · 3 Oct 2014 at 22:11

FoxEye said:
At this point I'm really confused as to what ISIS can hope to achieve with these executions.

to get the west involved. need some white infidels to kill. its hard to recruit all the other Muslims when you're only killing Muslims.

FoxEye · 3 Oct 2014 at 22:18

Tefal said:
to get the west involved. need some white infidels to kill. its hard to recruit all the other Muslims when you're only killing Muslims.

But we're not going to put boots on the ground, we're going to rain down death from above. Destroy their military hardware and force them to hide in populated areas.

I can't see how that helps them, personally.

Zefan · 3 Oct 2014 at 22:20

FoxEye said:
But we're not going to put boots on the ground

Are you sure about that?

ImMrChris · 3 Oct 2014 at 22:21

Drop a few ebola victims rather than bombs

Mynight · 3 Oct 2014 at 22:21

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised to see a change of stance in a month or two.

ImMrChris said:
Drop a few ebola victims rather than bombs

They've got their own apparently.

Nitefly · 3 Oct 2014 at 22:22

Zefan said:
Are you sure about that?

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO you heard it here first.

Nate75 · 3 Oct 2014 at 22:22

Zefan said:
Are you sure about that?

yes

McBain · 3 Oct 2014 at 22:23

******* animals.

FoxEye · 3 Oct 2014 at 22:23

I don't think the general public would get behind any party willing to put boots on the ground in the ME, again, so soon. This close to an election? I don't think that would be smart.

Tefal · 3 Oct 2014 at 22:25

FoxEye said:
I don't think the general public would get behind any party willing to put boots on the ground in the ME, again, so soon. This close to an election? I don't think that would be smart.

you think well have it all cleared up before the next election then?

home by Christmas and all that....

robfosters · 3 Oct 2014 at 22:36

I think the public may actually be more supportive of ground troops for this than previous conflicts.

FoxEye · 3 Oct 2014 at 22:37

Tefal said:
you think well have it all cleared up before the next election then?

home by Christmas and all that....

I just think that any party who commits to putting UK troops on the ground to fight IS before the election is going to have a bad time

I still think an Ion Cannon is the way forwards.

Harlequin · 3 Oct 2014 at 22:40

I think its time to just nuke them now

Narj · 3 Oct 2014 at 22:41

robfosters said:
I think the public may actually be more supportive of ground troops for this than previous conflicts.

Given the fact that the spread of such a volatile faction endangers the whole of civilisation if they get their hands on the right kit, I can't imagine that any sane person would oppose it.

I do agree, however, that proximity should dictate the proportion of response and resources, especially given the monetary means available to some of the neighbouring regions. If Saudi actually give a damn, let them pay for it.

AndyT · 3 Oct 2014 at 22:41

I wonder what would happen if the world allowed ISIS make their way to within a few hundred, maybe a thousand miles of Israel's borders? It would probably mean the end of the middle east as we know it. Utter carnage.

Eventually ISIS want to conquer all Muslims who don't operate under their "true" caliphate. They want to move into Palestine, destroy Hamas and then annihilate Israel. Israel might let them have a go at Hamas in the first instance, but eventually ISIS would target Israel. Israel is a notoriously twitchy, heavily armed nuclear state. The resulting scrap would be incredibly messy.

It will never be allowed to get to this point, the west and the rest of the middle east will have to step in, properly. These guys are complete nutjobs. They want all of the cake and they want to eat it and they cannot be allowed. There is no place for people like this on the planet. This world is small enough without having to harbour utter scumbags like ISIS.