Ebola scaremongering?

Werewolf said:
Aye a lot of the healthworkers who died did so basically because there was no training, no real facilities, not enough proper equipment and they were massively overworked and exhausted.

Basically a lot got infected before they knew the risks, a lot due to lack of proper protection, and a lot due to simple mistakes made either due to being too tired, or normal human error :(

It's one of the reasons sending in largish groups of armed forces medics is likely to make a difference, as if you can have a well trained group of medics (and support staff/equipment) working in facilities the chances of cross infection are much lower, and the survival rates will almost certainly go up (at the moment I believe many cases are dying in part because of things like dehydration).
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Yet one woman with training and PPE still caught it.
 
jkb said:
I get that but bringing infected people back to the UK makes no sense. It didn't take much for someone in Madrid to become infected because the Spanish brought an infected person back. Better to stop anyone travelling to and from infected areas, and I'm saying that as someone who is flying home from Madrid tomorrow :eek:
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Because they have a better chance of survival here where we are better equipped, you order them out there it's your duty to look after them.


and the woman in Madrid got infected because she didn't follow basic protocols.

How often do you expect to be cleaning up the blood and body fluids of infected people?
 
OldCoals said:
Yet one woman with training and PPE still caught it.
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Because PPE only works when it's between you and the threat work with caustic or irritants for a while and you'll soon learn you don't touch your skin elsewhere with your gloves.
 
Was something I was taught when doing work experience in a lab. During the intro they videoed me and showed me how many times I touched my face without realizing. Its a shocking amount. Each touch was a potential hazard with the chemicals they worked with there(I wasnt allowed to touch them though).
 
Tefal said:
Because they have a better chance of survival here where we are better equipped, you order them out there it's your duty to look after them.


and the woman in Madrid got infected because she didn't follow basic protocols.

How often do you expect to be cleaning up the blood and body fluids of infected people?
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The Spanish priests weren't ordered out there, they chose to go. Their choice, why bring infected people back to a clean country. I agree if we order troops out there we have a duty to look after them. It doesn't make any difference now, it is out of Africa and stopping it spreading around the world will be difficult. I was in three airports today (including Madrid :eek:) and the number of people in close proximity to each other then all going their separate ways is huge. I fear that this virus is going to infect people worldwide soon.

As for the nurse, I have worked with some very potent carcinogens and I know the level of training it takes to handle them correctly. This virus is on a whole other level of difficulty. I doubt she had sufficient training.
 
Mynight said:
Meh Google translate can't read the source :(.
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The premises of the DDASS to Cergy-Pontoise (Val-d'Oise) are currently curly.Authorities suspect a case of Ebola and locked sixty people. A this doctor's premises gave the alert noting disturbing symptoms in four people returning from Guinea.

First aid arrived on site more than an hour ago, a security perimeter has been set up and a crisis prefecture-enabled unit. Numbers of the UAS equipped accordingly are expected on site for an instant to another
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Curly you say, must be bad. That's bad translating.
 
Of course those that will, will dismiss this as a DM link, But....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cedonia-UK-victim-virus-killed-thousands.html

It does raise the possibility that the victims contracted the disease from within the UK! :eek:

Shutting the boarders may well not stop the progress of the disease (Pandemics managed to spread globally perfectly well before the age of mass transit) but "Quarantine" does slow the rate of spread and give everybody more time to cope with the consequences!
 
It does seem very strange to me that Western Scientists have been busy researching helping out in the affected areas and it is common knowledge that a contagious disease is best acted up by containment/quarantine with strict contamination controls and yet somehow with all our advanced border controls and tracking technology this virus has been allowed in to the USA, the UK, Spain, Norway, Germany, Macedonia, Czech Republic and possibly Australia... It begs the question, who benefits?

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Orionaut said:
Of course those that will, will dismiss this as a DM link, But....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cedonia-UK-victim-virus-killed-thousands.html

It does raise the possibility that the victims contracted the disease from within the UK! :eek:

Shutting the boarders may well not stop the progress of the disease (Pandemics managed to spread globally perfectly well before the age of mass transit) but "Quarantine" does slow the rate of spread and give everybody more time to cope with the consequences!
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Ebola-like symptoms =/= Ebola. Could be any number of other diseases until it's actually confirmed.

That's the problem with airport and border screening; the vast majority of people suspected won't have Ebola because the symptoms are so general to begin with, whilst someone who actually has Ebola walks on through early on in the incubation period.
 
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MichaelAwkward said:
Ebola-like symptoms =/= Ebola. Could be any number of other diseases until it's actually confirmed.

That's the problem with airport and border screening; the vast majority of people suspected won't have Ebola because the symptoms are so general to begin with.
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The big problem with Ebola is the rather long incubation period. Most "Travellers" carrying Ebola wont actually show any symptoms at all!
 
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