Paramedics leaving the NHS in droves

phill1978 said:
you cant blame any particular party. for as long as people got comfy and stop fighting for workers rights the 'industrial machine is in a permanent state of tearing those rights down and monetizing every aspect of human life.

you just sit there and type rants on the PC like a good slave ....
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I agree we have all been brainwashed, we need a good riot and have a few politicians dragged out of their mansions and face a public mob. It won't happen as the majority just bend over and take it. The majority need to take back the power
 
MrMoonX said:
I agree we have all been brainwashed, we need a good riot and have a few politicians dragged out of their mansions and face a public mob. It won't happen as the majority just bend over and take it. The majority need to take back the power
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surveillance state = Protect you from bad people
Internet monitoring = Protect your children from bad people
Removal of human rights bill = stop bad people from exploiting your systems.
corporate police force = defend against armed bad people and homeland threats.

those systems pretty much effect and potentially include everyone.

So, when your society crumbles your status quo remains the same. It makes sense to me if i put myself in the mind set of a powerful elite, of course you want to keep things good and why not ? What if you were rich and powerful ? Wouldn't you want to keep your lifestyle and give just the bare minimum out to society to keep things ticking for you? If I was rich and powerful id do my bit to help others but I would probably want to keep things sweet as possible for me and my friends.

Game set and Match. The rich corporates won, don't go complaining about cuts on an internet forum or moan on the comments section of some news website, it wont make any difference its illegal to protest or record in half of London anyways as its corporate owned land, this will soon apply to the whole country.
 
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Hikari Kisugi said:
Which rich corporates do you specify out of interest?
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http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jan/20/oxfam-85-richest-people-half-of-the-world

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...money-3-5billion-poorest-people-together.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/laurash...ve-as-much-wealth-as-the-3-5-billion-poorest/
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http://www.theguardian.com/business...rt-scale-britain-growing-financial-inequality

http://www.theguardian.com/society/...-rich-got-richer-10-shocking-facts-inequality


Must be great though being that rich and powerful but I happen to think a lot of people earnt there way there as much as those that didn't. So Its not like making money is a bad thing per say, its just creating a wealth system so devoid of any social contract is going to ruin society in the end.

which is exactly what the head of the BOE said recently

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/may/27/capitalism-critique-bank-of-england-carney

These cuts come because corporatization is being rolled in hard and fast. But yea, lets all chin scratch then go about our day.. having put the worlds to rights. I have no political leaning per say but I, like many others can see what’s plainly in front of everyone's eyes.
 
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MrMoonX said:
I agree we have all been brainwashed, we need a good riot and have a few politicians dragged out of their mansions and face a public mob. It won't happen as the majority just bend over and take it. The majority need to take back the power
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It's not a matter of if a mass storming of the houses of Parliament'll take place but when. If I was a politician now I'd be asking a favour back from a very rich foreign friend to help me flee the country.

The polticians say there's a recession but they can afford to get Britain involved in the USA's wars (sorry, 'police actions').
 
phill1978 said:
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I should say, I have no political leaning per say but I, like many others can see what’s plainly in front of everyone's eyes.
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Rather than posting lots of links, why don't you answer the question, which corporations are you talking about?

In your first link, the first diagram show the riches 85 people. That would be Bill Gates and Warren Buffet included. Just ruining the world aren't they!
Anyway, in the first stat on your first link, the top 10 countries, doesn't even list the UK.

So some relevance please.
What corporations are causing ambulance workers to leave their work in droves as Scorza is suggesting?
 
Hikari Kisugi said:
So some relevance please.
What corporations are causing ambulance workers to leave their work in droves as Scorza is suggesting?
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I did cast my net too wide for this discussion, my bad.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journali...on-private-ambulances-used-for-999-calls.html

The point is, your going to struggle to find one individual to say "here.. of over here he is !"

finger pointing is the same kind of narrow minded mob rule that doesn’t actually solve a problem, hence why the media does it and hence why you automatically are programmed to think in the way that finding one or two individuals ( see your post mentioning individuals) solves the problem rather than addressing the culture

There is a roadmap to get the whole of the public services in the UK privatised and the people who win contracts are the corporations who have the most influence and money.. ( yes those corporations are owned by rich shareholders who don’t give a fart about UK health and are mostly probably not even of UK decent but i digress)

if you can't see that this causes massive conflicts of interest to public health and safety then im not sure i can help.

But your right, i did fail to provide you with your answer.



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That would be Bill Gates and Warren Buffet included. Just ruining the world aren't they!
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bit immature, you didn’t read what i posted. clearly im not against making money and I would probably be the same if I were ultra rich and powerful. You seem to think what im saying is tinfoil, hence your comment as if all big business is bad and those examples (generally well liked .. hence your suggesting) rich billionaires are the problem. Im also not against corporations either, just as with anything you need proper regulation.



see the problem so far is on the left we have " more public spending" and on the right we have " more privatisation" but neither argument addresses the fundamental issue of proper oversight. Why cant we have a balance of both and some well thought out regulation ??

no common sense.
 
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MrMoonX said:
I agree we have all been brainwashed, we need a good riot and have a few politicians dragged out of their mansions and face a public mob. It won't happen as the majority just bend over and take it. The majority need to take back the power
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See, I sort of disagree. I don't think violence or rioting would solve anything only make matters worse. If enough people speak out and for more than just a day ( keep shouting until its sorted ) then things can change, even if its only just a bit.

Im against this type of protesting because it always gets exploited by extreme idiots who don't represent people.
 
phill1978 said:
I did cast my net too wide for this discussion, my bad.
Im also not against corporations either, just as with anything you need proper regulation.



see the problem so far is on the left we have " more public spending" and on the right we have " more privatisation" but neither argument addresses the fundamental issue of proper oversight. Why cant we have a balance of both and some well thought out regulation ??

no common sense.
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Aye, that I can agree with, oddly seems to be what Clegg suggested midweek, but LibDems will likely be butchered by their own voters in the coming year.
 
If you add up all the claims you read in the press about "increasing pressure" in the [insert public service here], it should be a metamorphic rock by now. Yet the NHS still exists, and most users seem quite happy with it.
 
thep02 said:
Or the changing demographics of the population as old folk hang on in there longer and autism rates among the young soar along with the allergy plague.
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Also adult social care budgets are virtually nothing, means people don't have support carers or anything so they call 999 all the time and end spending longer is hospital
 
Minstadave said:
Would you apply the same to the long term unemployed?
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The long term unemployed is a different subject all together.

But here is my stance on it.

I have been hospitalised 3 times in my (shortish) life 43 years.
Despite working since I was 17 and paying taxes and NI, I have been unable to claim benefits of any sort, this is WRONG.

However, I have experienced life saving care from the NHS and for this I am forever grateful.

There is a GENUINE need for the welfare state in the UK.
Many people have had serious illnesses, operations, war injuries and are unable to work.
On the other hand, many people don't know how to find work, have never worked or are from a background of people who have never worked.

How do I know this? I work as an electrician on social housing.
I see real life every day.

The fact of the matter is, we can't all be rocket scientists, marine biologists, or nuclear physicists.

What the UK needs is a labour force, factory work.
Lets bring pride back to the working classes, lets subsidise low wages rather than paying benefits, and lets help the disabled and badly injured with projects such as Remploy.
It was an utter travesty that Remploy was closed.
Everyone should be able to contribute to society and be rewarded for it.
I would much sooner subsidise a disabled persons wage than pay benefits to fit young people who are bone idle.

The problem with politicians in this country is they are so far removed from the real world, it is ****ing offensive at best.
 
Aren't the London Ambulance Service trying to recruit foreign paramedics now as so many are quitting?

It's a dire situation and I'm worried as to what point it's going to get to before we start heading in a different direction. It's all because emergency services are afraid of their own shadow and promotion is granted only by effecting change - regardless of whether it's good or bad. There's not one political party that we can elect who will restore the cuts made to frontline services so what do we do from here?
 
NoobCannon said:
My sister just left the London ambulance service she was a paramedic

Terrible working hours. Terrible pay and Redicilous expectations, loads of
Grief if she ever so much as complained. Taking sick leave is frowned upon even when genuinely ill.

Much better job now accessing sick/disability benefit claimants to make sure they arent lying oxygen thieves scamming the system.
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She must be so proud.
 
IrishChr1s said:
She must be so proud.
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Wouldn't blame her.
If a service degrades you to breaking point, leave and move on with your life, it isn't your duty to fight the system, if she wanted to provide healthcare and the system within it cripples someone's ability to do so then it isn't hard to see why morale is at zero.

Sarcastic comments don't help Chris.

Additionally, if she is stopping claimants entering the system where they do not deserve to be, she is doing the entire country of taxpayers a service, so the limited money is actually directed towards those who do deserve it.
 
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