Will UKIP win its first seat in parliament tonight?

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That's a good photo from the ukip conference ;)
 
so i guess what i said above about the security industry isnt relevant, maybe i misunderstood what i was told.
 
So because 'all' the immigrants work for minimum wage, like any one else naturally British would have to, but don't 'moan' about it or go on the dole instead, Its their fault and shouldn't be entitled to a better life and you thickos and unskilled folk, will you do it instead?

Wouldn't it make more sense to clamp down on the employers that are more than happy to exploit the situation ?

Maybe its the lack of English work ethic or the constant moaning that makes you unattractive employees? Or is it just simple economics? They will illegally work for less?

Its below you to work 14h days ? with 2h commutes ?

I got quite sick of all the Northern and South Western migrants coming to London and stealing the jobs too so i left and stole a Swedish job.
 
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Efour said:
So because 'all' the immigrants work for minimum wage, like any one else naturally British would have to, but don't 'moan' about it or go on the dole instead, Its their fault and shouldn't be entitled to a better life and you thickos and unskilled folk, will you do it instead?

Wouldn't it make more sense to clamp down on the employers that are more than happy to exploit the situation ?

Maybe its the lack of English work ethic or the constant moaning that makes you unattractive employees? Or is it just simple economics? They will illegally work for less?

Its below you to work 14h days ? with 2h commutes ?

I got quite sick of all the Northern and South Western migrants coming to London and stealing the jobs too so i left and stole a Swedish job.
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yes i wont work 14 hours or take min wage, oh wait i will be doing in two weeks when i finally start my new job, a job that by rights should be paying £8.50+ with what it will involve dealing with damaged 16-25 year olds with substance abuse and other fun problems. but as i said above thanks to immigrants being willing to take less than min wage in some places and the lax enforcement of the law, the wages have been pushed down, but yeah keep calling people names for pointing things out you dont like.

and for what its worth sat and sun nights are 17 hour shifts. guess thats me being lazy or something in your eyes.
 
GAC said:
yes i wont work 14 hours or take min wage, oh wait i will be doing in two weeks when i finally start my new job, a job that by rights should be paying £8.50+ with what it will involve dealing with damaged 16-25 year olds with substance abuse and other fun problems. but as i said above thanks to immigrants being willing to take less than min wage in some places and the lax enforcement of the law, the wages have been pushed down, but yeah keep calling people names for pointing things out you dont like.

and for what its worth sat and sun nights are 17 hour shifts. guess thats me being lazy or something in your eyes.
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So how much is it paying? £8.50 is well above min wage . All care/community work is underpaid and undervalued, always has been. Thats not because of immigration. Its meant to be morally rewarding ( or some other excuse)

So blame the law enforcers and the unscrupulous company not the migrants.
 
its paying min wage efour and its not care/community work im employed as a security guard. and theres no other staff on while im there on my tod. reason im having to take it is i need the money till i can find something better.

im not blaming the migrants directly im stating there are issues around how migrants are employed and it does effect wages. employers know they can take the mickey on pay and conditions hence the company i described was going out of its way to only employ african guards not because uk guys wernt applying but because they could abuse the africans and get away with it.

i just get cheesed off when people come out making statements that it doesnt happen just because they havent witnessed it.
 
Efour said:
All care/community work is underpaid and undervalued, always has been. Thats not because of immigration. Its meant to be morally rewarding ( or some other excuse)

So blame the law enforcers and the unscrupulous company not the migrants.
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Its because wages aren't paid due to the difficulty of the work, people get paid the lowest amount an employer can get away with without loosing the employee.
 
Well good luck dude i hope you don't have to do it long and keep your head low.

I get your point, know its true, just playing devils advocate.
 
well as long as i dont have to deal with people trying to lop their own head off like one guy did a few months ago i should be ok. maybe do a year and write my memoirs on working in such a place.
 
Judgeneo said:
Its because wages aren't paid due to the difficulty of the work, people get paid the lowest amount an employer can get away with without loosing the employee.
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indeed and where there's a lot of people to replace you at short notice you can either shut up and like it or join the back of the queue.
 
People should be more worried about corporate greed and collusion with the government, such as people on min wage working 40 hours a week having to claim working benefits, or the unemployed being used as slave labour.

What has UKIP to say on such issues? Not much I bet because they are all interested in the revolving corp / gov door just like the rest of em.
 
The problem is, people mistake problems with our economic system & poor employment laws as being related to immigration.

Humans have from the dawn of time flocked to greener pastures, it's part of the human condition & not something I can really blame anybody for. If we wish to really resolve global problems them we need to start thinking globally.

The last thing we need is isolationism, bigotry or fear to over-ride of common sense & fellowship with one another. It's predictable & undesirable, I would have hoped in this modern age of information we would be past this thing of tribalism but sadly not.

UKIP voters are right to be angry (as the section of society they inhabit has been ignored by the last few governments), but the solution they have aligned with is not only flawed but actually likely to exasperate the issues they face. A protest vote should not be for an organisation likely to make things worse for everybody (themselves included).
 
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thats the catch though elmarko, who do people vote for. iv already said il vote for my local tory mp as he has done a lot for the local community. his party not so much, but out of a bad bunch they seem the best for now.

the thing is theres not one party with a clue and that includes the greens.
 
Zethor said:
Go on then, prove me wrong, enlighten me. Lets see, in example, the studies that show the devastating effects of EU immigrants in the UK. I showed you they have a net contribution to the budget, v0n showed you their laughable voting record of UKIP (when they show up to vote). Who exactly has their head in the sand here?
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I don't have to prove anything because that's not my particular argument. People have suffered badly due to immigration, care to face Alice Gross' family and tell them that it was ok to let her killer in despite being a convicted murder because immigrants are a net contributor? I don't care about 'net' anything, some things are more important than money.

I do not see the relevance of your choices in life partners ("I have black friends, I'm not racist") so there's nothing to respond. Are you saying people who have partners of different ethnicities can't be racist of xenophobic? If you want your view to be considered rational, put forward a rational argument, based on facts and logic.
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I was responding to your irrational, ridiculous, baseless accusation of me being a past BNP member, i have seen your posts in the Palestinian and ISIS treads and it seems to be your modus operandi when faced with anyone who has the different opinion to yours. I was showing you how illogical your statement is as my situation is a little more then "I have a black friend" as BNP members are vehemently against race mixing on any level let alone have mixed race children. So where's my apology from you about getting it extremely wrong?

Put away your race card because it's well and truly expired.
 
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GAC said:
thats the catch though elmarko, who do people vote for. iv already said il vote for my local tory mp as he has done a lot for the local community. his party not so much, but out of a bad bunch they seem the best for now.

the thing is theres not one party with a clue and that includes the greens.
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I agree most of the main three are not that much better than each other, but UKIP have a laughable manifesto.

Nothing is supported by a shred of evidence or is in direct conflict with the evidence, I can understand people voting for the Conservatives to maintain the status quo - but UKIP will utterly destroy the quality of life for millions in the UK if given the chance.

It's a case a damage mitigation at this stage (until we have somebody worth voting for).

If people want real political change then they need to educate themselves on the actual causes of the social problems they have an issue with, once we have an informed voting public not easily distracted by our laughable tabloid media the politicians may start paying attention. At this stage even if we had a viable alternative with sensible solutions hardly anybody would vote for them because they don't even understand the fundamental problems to begin with.

This is one of the many reasons I don't personally believe in democracy, it's mob rule & the mob is idiotic. We have the politicians we deserve.
 
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Oh and i love how the press is scrambling over UKIP on the HIV thing:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29570080

Errrr YEAH!!! Of course it's a good idea not to let anyone in who has an infectious disease!!! Oh well the bright side is that more people will know that this is a UKIP policy and will gain more support, You'd have to be a brain dead not to agree with that.
 
robgmun said:
Oh and i love how the press is scrambling over UKIP on the HIV thing:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29570080

Errrr YEAH!!! Of course it's a good idea not to let anyone in who has an infectious disease!!! Oh well the bright side is that more people will know that this is a UKIP policy and will gain more support, You'd have to be a brain dead not to agree with that.
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I have some concerns about how you can actually enforce that, but yeah I'd prefer it if people with infectious diseases didn't travel to our country. Certainly shouldn't be entitled to free non-emergency medical care on the NHS.
 
Mynight said:
Testing would be easy enough. Main issue is that HIV, Hep c can take many months before you test positive (apparently).
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I thought with HIV it was 2 weeks from infection to being able to detect it via tests? No idea about Hep C however, I'll have to look it up
 
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