Russian Grand Prix 2014, Sochi - Race 16/19

Skeeter · 13 Oct 2014 at 19:45

Millwall.FC said:
they were part owner they sold their shares back to peter sauber

Before the start of the 2010 season though.

Glaucus · 13 Oct 2014 at 19:45

Kenai said:
They sold the shares back in 2009, they had nothing to do with the 2010 team

They did due to when the entry went in, under the bwm name, by the time the deal was done it was to late.

Millwall.FC · 13 Oct 2014 at 19:47

Kenai said:
They sold the shares back in 2009, they had nothing to do with the 2010 team

Skeeter said:
Before the start of the 2010 season though.

I have a habit of not reading the full post just spotted the 2010

Skeeter · 13 Oct 2014 at 19:47

dannyjo22 said:
Wasn't the free engines the last few years just part of the buy back of shares they had in the team. Rather than give them x million back they got engines for free, iirc?

Quite possibly. There is no free engine deal this year though. McLaren are just a Mercedes engine customer this year, just like Williams and Force India.

Skeeter · 13 Oct 2014 at 19:49

Glaucus said:
They did due to when the entry went in, under the bwm name, by the time the deal was done it was to late.

What? BMW Sauber Ferrari in 2010 had absolutely no connection with BMW.

Glaucus · 13 Oct 2014 at 19:51

Skeeter said:
What? BMW Sauber Ferrari in 2010 had absolutely no connection with BMW.

Did I contradict that?
The entry went in as BMW and peter suaber did not request a name change in time fir the final entry list. That is why it was BMW in the name. No other reason other than the timings of entry lists, sale time etc. and it wasn't BMW sauber Ferrari, it was BMW sauber.

Which is totally different to Mclaren Mercedes,
Lotus f1 is also totally differnt to Mclaren Mercedes. That's just their name, which they have rights to.
If Mclaren have no reason to have the Mercedes name in their title, then they are bigger idiots than I thought. That is a huge amount of real estate, which you think their is no reason for them to have.

Kenai · 13 Oct 2014 at 20:18

Glaucus said:
Did I contradict that?
The entry went in as BMW and peter suaber did not request a name change in time fir the final entry list. That is why it was BMW in the name. No other reason other than the timings of entry lists, sale time etc. and it wasn't BMW sauber Ferrari, it was BMW sauber.

Well it certainly sounded like you contradicted it when Millwall said they were part owners in 2010, I replied 'they had nothing to do with the team in 2010' and you responded 'They did'. Not hard to see why Skeeter thought you were contradicting my comment

You are correct in that the name remained only due to Peter Saubers failure to change it in time, however the constructor was "BMW Sauber-Ferrari", with a team name of BMW Sauber F1 Team.

Glaucus · 13 Oct 2014 at 20:22

Did you nit read all my comment, I don't see how you could think I contradicted it. We've gone over this constructor means nothing, team name is the important part.

Kenai · 13 Oct 2014 at 20:30

Well the bit that seems to have confused me is where I said they didn't have anything to do with the 2010 team and you said they did.

If you didn't actually mean that they did, then saying 'They did' is probably not the clearest way of putting your point across. I have better things to do with my evening than continue to indulge your tediousness though, so i'll leave it to Skeeter to pulverise his skull against this particular brick wall.

Glaucus · 13 Oct 2014 at 20:34

They did when the entry form went in, what's hard to understand about that.

robbiemc · 13 Oct 2014 at 20:49

Kenai said:
Well the bit that seems to have confused me is where I said they didn't have anything to do with the 2010 team and you said they did.

If you didn't actually mean that they did, then saying 'They did' is probably not the clearest way of putting your point across. I have better things to do with my evening than continue to indulge your tediousness though, so i'll leave it to Skeeter to pulverise his skull against this particular brick wall.

I did say...

Glaucus · 13 Oct 2014 at 20:50

robbiemc said:
I did say...

Yeah and were wrong, on top of that I had naming of teams right.

Glaucus said:
But that seems more like, at time of entering that it was enterd as BMW dauber and it was changed in time, and then 2011 they removed bwm name, which isn't what is happening with mclaren. MErecedes aren't owners, they left several years ago from what I can see.

Some one message Ted and find out what's going on. I'm leaning to we are all wrong. There must be a reason Mercedes is in the name, you don't give that up for nothing.

Skeeter · 13 Oct 2014 at 21:00

Glaucus said:
Did you nit read all my comment, I don't see how you could think I contradicted it. We've gone over this constructor means nothing, team name is the important part.

Constructor means everything.

Glaucus · 13 Oct 2014 at 21:01

Skeeter said:
Constructor means everything.

Not when were talking about naming and title sponsors etc.

Skeeter · 13 Oct 2014 at 21:14

Of teams or constructors? Sponsor names are never in the constructor name. Its chassis and engine manufacturer only. All sponsorship is at the team level.

Glaucus · 13 Oct 2014 at 21:15

And what were we discussing?

Skeeter · 13 Oct 2014 at 21:16

Both, weren't we?

Glaucus · 13 Oct 2014 at 21:17

Nope.

Will · 13 Oct 2014 at 21:27

Is there any reason the teams don't negotiate a more sensible dealoover naming conventions, all this bickering has thrown up some obvious examples of pretty silly team names used because of the contract when logic would be for them to be called something different. The BMW sauber Ferrari thing makes no sense for either manufacturer really. Is this just another case where logic goes out the window 'because FOM/bernie' or 'because fia'.

Skeeter · 13 Oct 2014 at 21:41

I expect there's lots of things going on, contracts, financial agreements and things. I can understand why there are deadlines,.etc, but I agree the restriction on naming teams is a bit stupid, and needlessly so.

Probably a legacy thing.