ISIS and Islamic militants - discussion

Dj_Jestar said:
You *implied* it. I'm not about to read out the definition of imply to you.
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Implied only to the point that extremism in community should be handled the same same way no matter what that community and the dangers of doing nothing about it.

Dj_Jestar said:
Are we to demand that the rest of the Christian church deal with the Westboro Baptist Church?
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To be honest don't know what you mean by "Westboro Baptist Church". Im not a Christian anyways.

Again I ask the question who is best to tackle extremism in a community, other members of the community or people outside of the community?

If there's was extremism thugs in my Gunpla builders group I would feel responsible to do something about as I would not want them to represent me even if they though Gunpla was the best thing ever.
 
robgmun said:
And placing you head in the sand won't either
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I argue that pointing at some other thinly related community and shouting "It's their fault - they are all Muslim after all" is doing exactly that. These extremists are using religion as an excuse. It is not the responsibility of the entire Muslim culture to control them. It is the responsibility of everyone to defend themselves and help those in need of defense.
 
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Dj_Jestar said:
Are we to demand that the rest of the Christian church deal with the Westboro Baptist Church?
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very very odd choice given the extensive response to them from American society and other Christians and even other countries including the uk.

they have travel bans to the uk and Canada.

several laws were passed in states and federally to prevent them protesting funerals.

there was wide spread media condemnation

there were counter protests

80 grand was raised to stick a massive billboard up near them that says "God loves gays".


All in all society and Christians have done more against the westbro baptist church than Muslims have against extremists or isis, heck governments and courts have done more against the westbro baptist church than they have isis.


West bro start a protest massive groups turn up to counter them.

isis hold support rallies Muslims go supporting them...




The difference here was nobody had to "demand" a response from normal people to stand up to the WBBC they did it without being asked or told because it was the right thing to do....
 
The guys who want people from the muslim community to stand up to the terrorists....how do you guys propose they do it ?
 
Amnesia said:
The guys who want people from the muslim community to stand up to the terrorists....how do you guys propose they do it ?
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not let them use their mosques or community centers to advertise or give lectures?

to encourage and engage with their young people to help them learn and understand that extremism is not the way of Islam?

You know the kinda stuff most community groups do on these kind of issues.

be it students with nationalist parties who easily find support in impressionable youths.

be it inner city community groups trying to keep youngsters from drugs or crime.

its about putting across the message to people that it is not the desirable option it may seem and that the community as a whole disagrees with it.


when an extremist preacher speaks at a mosque it lends them credibility to the young people who attend it.


You wouldn't let a drug dealer enter a community center and lecture the youngsters about how great drugs are would you?

So why let extremist preachers use your buildings to talk to your children.


Reasonable and simple suggestions?
 
Hook man did that and anjem chaoudry does similar but remains in the confines of the law....other than them i thought it had been stamped out of mosques.
but still fair points if it still happens.
 
Dj_Jestar said:
Lol. The same old cop out.

But you're perfectly qualified to criticise and choose which community to blame.
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Why am I qualified to answer the question on what I see as a internal issue. I honestly don't have the answers as I have little idea on what its its like to be part of the Islamic community. Even if I gave a sense-able answer i get the impression you would say its wrong or oppressive/islamophobic.
 
Dj_Jestar said:
Lol. The same old cop out.

But you're perfectly qualified to criticise and choose which community to blame.
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No-one's blaming anyone here, apart from the Islamic extremists themselves, so stop trying to portray Muslims as the victims here. All I've been saying is that as this radicalisation process is taking place in British Muslim communities, that ordinary people from within those communities are best placed to deal with it. Not being part of the community it's impossible to give specifics about the correct course of action, I would suggest however that if a radical preacher moved into my area then it would be in my interests to complain to the owner of the mosque he's operating from to get him to stop. You can't seriously tell me there's nothing that ordinary Muslims can do to stop this rising tide of extremism?
 
Amnesia said:
Hook man did that and anjem chaoudry does similar but remains in the confines of the law....other than them i thought it had been stamped out of mosques.
but still fair points if it still happens.
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Hardly, my local mosque is being looked at very closely by the police. It's still very wide-spread and people need to turn away the likes of anjem chaoudry and reject there presence outright.

If i was still a Muslim i would have kicked his ass if he tried to enter my mosque
 
KillBoY_UK said:
Why am I qualified to answer the question on what I see as a internal issue. I honestly don't have the answers as I have little idea on what its its like to be part of the Islamic community. Even if I gave a sense-able answer i get the impression you would say its wrong or oppressive/islamophobic.
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You can still give suggestions...its just like being a part of any community i guess.
 
Amnesia said:
The guys who want people from the muslim community to stand up to the terrorists....how do you guys propose they do it ?
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I'll bite as people seem to be avoiding it.

They out them, they let the proper authorities know that there are extremists living or active in whatever area and let them deal with it, in the same sort of way you'd inform the Police that a whorehouse is over the road, or a drug den etc.
 
robgmun said:
Hardly, my local mosque is being looked at very closely by the police. It's still very wide-spread and people need to turn away the likes of anjem chaoudry and reject there presence outright.

If i was still a Muslim i would have kicked his ass if he tried to enter my mosque
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Anjem chaoudry is more of a friend to the media than to muslims.

There is a reason why anjem is repeatedly on the news...because there are very few who share his extreme views....so they end up having to use the same guy over and over.
 
Trig said:
I'll bite as people seem to be avoiding it.

They out them, they let the proper authorities know that there are extremists living or active in whatever area and let them deal with it, in the same sort of way you'd inform the Police that a whorehouse is over the road, or a drug den etc.
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You're assuming they know...when the norm is the parents get left a note or recieve a phone call when their son or daughter is already in Syria or Iraq what chance do the other people have of knowing.

Ofcourse some people will know...the same people who are brainwashing them and helping them get over there and meet the right people.
we do need to find these people.
 
So in the news today, detective saying that they have had a great response from Muslim families in suspected cases, going to the police. Ironically the numbers coming forward might overwhelm the police so that's encouraging.
 
Dj_Jestar said:
Which is my point. The Radical Few and not the entire culture are at fault. It is not correct to hold the entire culture to blame for the actions of a few - yet here we have several people demanding that "The Muslims" (note the distinct lack of differentiation from the radical few in that) sort it out.
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Didn't something like 40% of polled UK Muslim students agree with Isis/caliphate? I might have that wrong, it was a survey posted up a few weeks back, may have been something to do with sharia law.
 
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