Susan Boyle wants to adopt...

WillyNelson · 20 Oct 2014 at 09:32

As she's diagnosed Asperger's and has a history of mental illness, I doubt the LA would allow her to adopt. However, being stinking rich she could just go buy a kid from a developing country, a la Madonna.

Hyburnate · 20 Oct 2014 at 09:38

WillyNelson said:
As she's diagnosed Asperger's and has a history of mental illness, I doubt the LA would allow her to adopt. However, being stinking rich she could just go buy a kid from a developing country, a la Madonna.

Asperger's wouldn't affect her bringing up a child :confused:

She had stood up in front of tens of thousands of people, put herself out there to be put under scrutiny from lots of people, yeahhhhh Asperger's is not going to stop her.

Twirlywoos · 20 Oct 2014 at 09:41

Yup she can go to China, Middle East or Africa like all the other drug filled celebs. Money talks. Whether she can keep the child is something only her actions can prove.

robgmun · 20 Oct 2014 at 09:46

Terminal_Boy said:
What is it with minted people still having council houses?

They're usually champagne socialists

Xordium · 20 Oct 2014 at 09:47

WillyNelson said:
As she's diagnosed Asperger's

The irony of someone saying that on a electronic forum for people who are interested in making and maintaining niche computer products is rather funny. Guess you'd rule us lot out too eh?

robgmun · 20 Oct 2014 at 10:05

Xordium said:
The irony of someone saying that on a electronic forum for people who are interested in making and maintaining niche computer products is rather funny. Guess you'd rule us lot out too eh?

The adoption agency probably would, i'm not sure their stance of giving children to those diagnosed with mental disabilities

WillyNelson · 20 Oct 2014 at 10:09

Hyburnate said:
Asperger's wouldn't affect her bringing up a child She had stood up in front of tens of thousands of people, put herself out there to be put under scrutiny from lots of people, yeahhhhh Asperger's is not going to stop her.

Xordium said:
The irony of someone saying that on a electronic forum for people who are interested in making and maintaining niche computer products is rather funny. Guess you'd rule us lot out too eh?

I said I doubted the local authority would allow her to adopt.

Personally, I have no issue with it as long as you're capable of caring for a child.

Xordium · 20 Oct 2014 at 10:24

robgmun said:
The adoption agency probably would, i'm not sure their stance of giving children to those diagnosed with mental disabilities

So you are not sure of their stance but would assume they would. Let me rewrite that for you: "I haven't got a clue but I am going to express my personal prejudice anyways".

robgmun · 20 Oct 2014 at 11:04

Xordium said:
So you are not sure of their stance but would assume they would. Let me rewrite that for you: "I haven't got a clue but I am going to express my personal prejudice anyways".

More like i'm aware that adoption agencies are notorious for making it almost impossible to adopt a child, perfectly good candidates have been turned down so i'd be extremely surprised if someone like Susan Boyle is allowed, wealth alone doesn't make a good candidate

Xordium · 20 Oct 2014 at 11:09

robgmun said:
More like i'm aware that adoption agencies are notorious for making it almost impossible to adopt a child, perfectly good candidates have been turned down so i'd be extremely surprised if someone like Susan Boyle is allowed, wealth alone doesn't make a good candidate

So let me rewrite that for you:

"Heresay and casual inspection tells me that adoption agencies are notorious for making it impossible to adopt a child. Heresay indicates perfectly good candidates have been turned down even though I don't really know anything about this at all (as I've already admitted) let alone about the specifics of any such case that I have yet to even put forward. All the time I am expecting everyone to ignore the fact that I suggested she would be unable to because she has been diagnosed with a disease that would have little bearing on her capacity to be a parent."

robgmun · 20 Oct 2014 at 11:13

Jesus Christ, you better claim down and chill, i have my opinion and have a right to it. If you don't like that then:

Xordium · 20 Oct 2014 at 11:19

robgmun said:
wow, take it easy buddy, i have my opinion and have a right to it. If you don't like that then:

You do have the right to an opinion and I also have the right to point out that your opinion was not based out of knowledge but personal prejudice. The fact that you've posted little pictures and made no defence of that opinion just substantiates my view.

robgmun · 20 Oct 2014 at 11:21

Yeah but you're being an arse about it, which substantiates my view

Xordium · 20 Oct 2014 at 11:23

robgmun said:
Yeah but you're being an arse about it, which substantiates my view

Even if I am an arse how does that substantiate your view that the Aspergers would impinge on her parental ability. That was your point was it not.

BTW I am not being an arse I am just pointing out your opinion is based upon prejudice not fact.

WillyNelson · 20 Oct 2014 at 11:28

Wind it in Xordium, he's not making some sort of outlandish or baseless claim here.

Xordium said:
All the time I am expecting everyone to ignore the fact that I suggested she would be unable to because she has been diagnosed with a disease that would have little bearing on her capacity to be a parent."

Mental health is assessed as part of the adoption process. That's fact, not guesswork or personal prejudice. Much of that assessment is whether the particular disorder is likely to affect a person's capacity to care for a child and the likelihood of it occurring. Adopting a child required a person to be able to form an unnatural bond with a child (as in a bond that is not via direct parentage), and requires them to be able to empathise with that child's feelings , their feelings about being adopted and their feelings regarding their birth family. Asperger's is a disorder characterised by difficulties in social interaction, empathy and non-verbal communication, all of which are key to raising a child and are further complicated by the adoption process.

Xordium said:
Even if I am an arse how does that substantiate your view that the Aspergers would impinge on her parental ability. That was your point was it not.

It wasn't. He suggested it would negatively affect an adoption agency's decision as to whether she would be suitable to adopt.

Jambo · 20 Oct 2014 at 11:28

Xordium said:
The irony of someone saying that on a electronic forum for people who are interested in making and maintaining niche computer products is rather funny. Guess you'd rule us lot out too eh?

What do you mean? Everyone or a lot of people here must have Aspergers?

It would be interesting to know how many people here actually do make and maintain niche computer products. In GD in particular I get the impression it's not that many. But who knows......

Xordium · 20 Oct 2014 at 11:33

WillyNelson said:
He suggested it would negatively affect an adoption agency's decision as to whether she would be suitable to adopt.

Strange because the adoption guidance on this very issue is that they will "focus on what the person could do rather than what they couldn't". Health is assessed as part of the adoption process not just mental health. The prejudice is apparent - the disease would not negatively impinge on her chances - how she presents and any individual difficulties she faces may well. She seems to have a lot of the problems we would expect to stand in her way covered don't you think. So I won't "wind it in" thanks because his opinion was born of prejudice.

Xordium · 20 Oct 2014 at 11:35

Jambo said:
What do you mean? Everyone or a lot of people here must have Aspergers?

Yes, with a male demographic of likely above average intelligence communicating frequently in a comfortable non-verbal then one would likely draw the conclusion that there would be a higher proportion of people with Aspergers than the general population level.

robgmun · 20 Oct 2014 at 11:35

Xordium said:
Even if I am an arse how does that substantiate your view that the Aspergers would impinge on her parental ability. That was your point was it not.

Nope, go read my posts again, i said Aspergers would impinge on her getting a child from an adoption agency, because they're extremely strict.

Never said anything about impinging on her parental ability

phonemonkey · 20 Oct 2014 at 11:37

Xordium said:
Strange because the adoption guidance on this very issue is that they will "focus on what the person could do rather than what they couldn't"

Indeed. She might need some support and help in raising a child (who doesn't?) but that doesn't mean she can't provide a stable and loving home for a child in need of one.