Britain asked to cough up £1.9 billion to the EU

Freakbro said:
I'm sure if the HMRC did an audit on various self employed peoples accounts and determined they had made more money than previously thought, they would want their extra tax due from it

Don't see the difference tbh, so just cough up and stop complaining :p
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sooo many things wrong with this analogy :p
 
There was a website not to long ago that gave responses to sensationalist, misleading and wrong headlines in uk media about eu policy. I can't find the link to it anywhere - can anybody remember what it was?

Either way, this article is a fascinating piece of well staged political propaganda. It will be interesting to see what happens next,

The narrative is:
1) the uk economy is booming
2) eu are spoil sport rotters

Both of which will support the Conservative party when Cameron appears to 'stand up' to the eu.

It's all a pre-scripted farce designed to delude and deceive you. Oh humanity, what a stage of fools.
 
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Glaucus said:
:rolleyes: Its got sod all todo with other countries. We aren't paying it because other countries are doing poorly. It's calculated on how our economy is doing.

As said this wasn't forced on us we agreed it. We also have a much smaller say in EU than we should as we have sidelined our self. We need to embrace EU and jump in with both feet. And get the say and influence we should.
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But the other countries are doing badly as a result of their own ineptitude. We shouldn't be punished for that. It's like the tax office saying "Mr Smith hasn't made as much as he thought he would this month, so you'll have to pay a bit extra to cover his tax contribution" you would tell them to do one.

We will never get the say we want in the EU as we have become the dumping ground of Europe and they want it to stay that way.
 
We have no choice in this matter. The EU court is supreme - they hold literally absolute power over the UK.

It isn't a case of Cameron not being brave enough, or of somehow being culpable, the EU is in command here. We can't say no. Losing the next election because of something he has no control over whatsoever is absurd.

We can't leave the EU. We can't refuse their demands. That is what we signed up for. Sucks that so few people in the UK appear to have grasped this :(
 
JonJ678 said:
We have no choice in this matter. The EU court is supreme - they hold literally absolute power over the UK.

It isn't a case of Cameron not being brave enough, or of somehow being culpable, the EU is in command here. We can't say no. Losing the next election because of something he has no control over whatsoever is absurd.

We can't leave the EU. We can't refuse their demands. That is what we signed up for. Sucks that so few people in the UK appear to have grasped this :(
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Why can't we leave?
 
Tazzfalcon said:
I'm very much pro- the UK being a strong and central part of the EU. Unfortunately the EC seems to want us to leave! The fact that the internal member state political situation this announcement will fuel, wasn't seemingly taken into account just beggars belief.
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I don't necessarily agree that they want us to leave, although some may, I think it's much more childish than that. A lot of Euro countries(or leaders) seem to think they are part of some bigger more wonderful movement. Britain is much more individual, we have our own way of doing things, we have our own unique church, monarchy and economy and quite frankly we view a lot of Euro countries as poor, a threat, and that they love the idea of herd mentality where they are safer/stronger together, problem is that so many Euro countries are just fundamentally corrupted and lazy beyond repair that if we were to fully embrace them we would/could be weakened as a result. It's a trap, at least it could be, but they are just playing games here after the recent visit from Barrosa didn't go down too well. He was trying to tell us that we would lose a power if we left the EU, we would become irrelevant, well I guess he was told a few things during his visit, like, we wouldn't.....
 
This is a deliberate ploy by Europe to make the Tories totally unelectable thereby getting a Labour Govt. thereby no referendum, it's very simple.
 
John40 said:
This is a deliberate ploy by Europe to make the Tories totally unelectable thereby getting a Labour Govt. thereby no referendum, it's very simple.
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If true it may well backfire spectacularly. Ukip are in the mind of many a better choice than labour.
 
robfosters said:
Why can't we leave?
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There's no provision for it in the agreement
There's no provision for it in law
We don't get to write our own law anymore
The EU would be wholly against it

Or, alternatively, because we aren't willing to seriously consider declaring war.
 
robfosters said:
But the other countries are doing badly as a result of their own ineptitude. We shouldn't be punished for that. It's like the tax office saying "Mr Smith hasn't made as much as he thought he would this month, so you'll have to pay a bit extra to cover his tax contribution" you would tell them to do one.

We will never get the say we want in the EU as we have become the dumping ground of Europe and they want it to stay that way.
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We aren't being punished for what they've done. It has absolutely nothing to do with what other countries are doing.
 
JonJ678 said:
There's no provision for it in the agreement
There's no provision for it in law
We don't get to write our own law anymore
The EU would be wholly against it

Or, alternatively, because we aren't seriously willing to consider declaring war.
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More to the point how can they stop us if we decide to leave? invade?
 
Glaucus said:
We aren't being punished for what they've done. It has absolutely nothing to do with what other countries are doing.
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So we are being punished for getting our own house in order? just as bad.

It is baffling how anyone can defend this :confused:
 
robfosters said:
Why can't we leave?
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I find it funny and horrific that proponents of the anti-EU cannot comprehend the impact of the withdrawal of trade and free movement.

People do not just come here, clog up the NHS and take our jobs derp. You can also go anywhere in the EU, open borders. Business opportunities, friends, family, proximity. A world of insular, sarcastic, my home is my castle and you kindly **** off (vs) what do we both have that can be mutually beneficial to each other. The best way is clear, the pride, prejudice and hate of the ignorant, uneducated, beaten and downtrodden, is strong.
 
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AtreuS said:
So we are being punished for getting our own house in order? just as bad.

Its is baffling how anyone can defend this :confused:
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We aren't being punished for anything. Its just like income tax. You earn more you pay more.
Our economy has grown so we owe more tax. There is no punishment and there's nothing to do with other countries.
 
I dont know the ins and out of this, after the recent shall we say "issues" with banks and bailouts, other countries having economy issues and needing assistance from other states.

We as a country appear to have done not too badly, the economy appears to have recovered somewhat and now because of this were having to pay a huge chunk of cash to the EU? 1.7Billion?

With all the issues we've had with housing, changes to Tax, VAT, housing issues, NHS and police (iirc) and also random companies having to make huge cutbacks, shouldn't this ridiculous amount of money be used y'know to address issues wthin the country first?

Rather than what seems to be paying for the ineptitude of the EU and what seems to be a lack of planning for other countries.

On this alone I'd be tempted to agree with some of the above and be happy to just up and leave the EU, rather our own country got "fixed" first

EDIT: Just saw glaucus post.
So if its a tax and we owe 1.7billion and both france and germany are getting huge rebates, just how poorly have they done?
Its not somethign it keep up on in all honesty
 
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