Britain asked to cough up £1.9 billion to the EU

Hang on - if the formulas used to calculate this are well known and the treasury already knew full well how our own economy was doing in relation to other economies, how could they not have anticipated this? Do they not have even the most basic insight into their international agreements and the associated costs?
Of course they knew. But how to handle it?

They either happily to pay it, and risk looking weak when it comes out in the press and the EU sceptics go to town on it, or they blame the big bad wolf of the EU, and say how brave they shall be at defending our honour.

Which do you think they chose?
 
Of course they knew. But how to handle it?

They either happily to pay it, and risk looking weak when it comes out in the press and the EU sceptics go to town on it, or they blame the big bad wolf of the EU, and say how brave they shall be at defending our honour.

Which do you think they chose?

It sounds like an enormous risk and it could blow up in Cameron's face and benefit U-Know-whatkip.
 
It sounds like an enormous risk and it could blow up in Cameron's face and benefit U-Know-whatkip.

They had no control of the information getting out - it was leaked. They are caught on the hop, with the **** hitting the fan. They either head off UKIP by going all anti-EU, or they let UKIP play the white knight in the face of our EU-slave government.

That UKIP are carrying such power at the moment is undeniably scary, though.
 
This puny island is the 6th largest economy in the world, and on track to overtake France to become the 5th. Why on earth would we be excluded when a whole host of other smaller countries are allowed?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_free_trade_agreements

You missed the interesting detail on that map. The industrious powerhouses (the US, Japan, China, South Korea) do not currently have a FTA with the EU. You must love the UK to want to put it in the same basket as Mexico, Egypt and Ukraine.

That's nothing more then a copy and past of section 6. I want facts and figures. Before the EU and now.
I think that is based on GDP which we are failing in. We do no more trade with the EU then we did pre common market.

http://www.voxeu.org/article/how-rich-nations-benefit-eu-membership
 
I don't think many of us would know what that feels like cheesyboy :p.

Just imagine Nigel Farage in a pair of union flag pants, holding a pint of ale in one hand, a cheeky cigarette in the other, and he's whispering in a sexy voice right in your ear all about "sending them all back", "jobs for all", "low tax", "reclaim britain", "a voice for the common man" or whatever. And David cameron is sat, with his hands on his lap just watching, yearnfully.

You got that feeling yet?

Well, it feels like that. In an emotional sense.

Physically, it's a bit wetter and smellier. Probably.
 
Just imagine Nigel Farage in a pair of union flag pants, holding a pint of ale in one hand, a cheeky cigarette in the other, and he's whispering in a sexy voice right in your ear all about "sending them all back", "

Except for his German wife. No brit can do what she does (his words not mine).
 
Would be interesting to know. Unfortunately I wonder how much of it would still be possible without being a member of the EU as well.

Assuming we leave the EU but gain a FTA then the majority of the benefit (from single market trade) would still be seen.

As there is no precedent for a member state leaving and gaining a FTA it is difficult to predict how straight forward this process would be (or how quick it could be enacted). Given the current trade ties it would be unlikely for the UK to not gain a FTA with the EU.

In theory from a business point of view nothing would really change. You would still use Transit documents (TIR / common transit procedure) for intra EU trade and the general provisions would stay broadly the same.

In practice who knows.

Zethor said:
You missed the interesting detail on that map. The industrious powerhouses (the US, Japan, China, South Korea) do not currently have a FTA with the EU. You must love the UK to want to put it in the same basket as Mexico, Egypt and Ukraine.

The US, Japan and South Korea are all in the negotiation or pending stage for FTA (or the equivalent - TTIP for the US). Interestingly so is Vietnam despite it having ADD applied to a large portion of its imports until very recently (it was reinstated as part of the GSP)
 
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That's nothing more then a copy and past of section 6. I want facts and figures. Before the EU and now.
I think that is based on GDP which we are failing in. We do no more trade with the EU then we did pre common market.

That is facts and figures in a peer reviewed journal. If you have proof that the figures are wrong then publish your own research.
 
The thing I cant understand is how they not only total up a black market but then add it to our bill.

Afaik the black market isn't well known for its paying of tax.

It's our Office Of National Statistics that added that to increase production figures.

Apparently we already pay £55m per day to be in this club!!! Ridiculous!

Stop referring to it as "club". It's Nigels place of work. In fact that place is the only reason UKIP can still survive, it is its only source of funds.
 
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Argh right so ONS added the black market to our GDP to make us seem more profitable?

Based on a market that by definition is hidden and presumably not bound to companies houses' submitting of tax returns/accounts each year :D.
 
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