Brazilian Grand Prix 2014, São Paulo - Race 18/19
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Agreed 100%.
I remember last year when RBR were winning races in a row - was it 9 in a row - people and commentators were trying to talk up the chances of a non-Vettel win. I honestly couldnt understand how they were arriving at this conclusion and wondered at times if they'd even seen the last few races.
Merc should get 1-2, even if they start in the pit-lane.
All Hamilton needs to do is finish 2nd in both races, take it easy, no risks and he has this in the bag.
I would love it though if in Abu Dhabi, double points somehow changes the WDC (to favour Rosberg). People on this forum would flip and I love to see the Hamilton fans lose their ****.
It's a bit of a double edged sword... It's looking like it is taking the championship to the final race so in that sense it has done it's job.
If Hamilton wins the title everyone will likely forget how rubbish an idea it is for a while and Bernie might look at it as being a great success as it accomplished what he wanted and kept everyone watching albeit i... and the organisers in Abu Dhabi will probably want the same again next season.
If Rosberg were to some how win the outrage would be immense (and rightly so from a racing point of view), hopefully it could be enough to make them scrap the rule.
Whatever happens I hope it ends up with that stupid rule being taken away!
If Hamilton wins the title everyone will likely forget how rubbish an idea it is for a while and Bernie might look at it as being a great success as it accomplished what he wanted and kept everyone watching albeit i... and the organisers in Abu Dhabi will probably want the same again next season.
If Rosberg were to some how win the outrage would be immense (and rightly so from a racing point of view), hopefully it could be enough to make them scrap the rule.
Whatever happens I hope it ends up with that stupid rule being taken away!
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Don't care about who actually gets the points/title in reality, I only marginally care because 5 years from now it will be talked about as Rosberg being better than Hamilton this year by people who will use his points total to decide he was better and nothing else.
The reality is, the title doesn't matter, the individual races do. If a Merc driver wins the title, then we find out a month later that Merc used traction control throughout the year and the title was removed from them.... does it change the individual races you watched? they were either good to watch or not, I watch the races for the races, not a list of drivers come the end of the season.
Hamilton has been driver of the year by a mile. Riccy has been great, but Hamilton has gone out there and beaten a good-very good driver who was also in a great car and was comfortable in that car. The Red Bull is a great car at certain tracks and Riccy has as with Hamilton, destroyed his team mate.
The difference is Hamilton has had more fights with his team mate, his team mate has had him under pressure all year(Riccy has faced zero pressure from Vettel), due to a DNF start of the season Hamilton has been under pressure and chasing a team mate for almost the entire season and he's followed that up with simply brilliant driving. Aside from places like Bahrain where at a disadvantage due to safety car and being on worse tires he kept taking the position back. The consistency in races is unbelievable, when behind he would gain on Rosberg lap after lap, applying the pressure, either his car broke or Rosberg broke, but Hamilton didn't.
Hamilton has had to deal with a cheating team mate who actually knocked him out of one race and after that he came back again and won 5 in a row, several from behind Rosberg again showing the consistency, the pure speed every lap to catch up.
If Rosberg won the title none of what I've just said changes, he's been beaten soundly. If everyone had a little sense then 5 of 50 years from now no one would go "duh, Rosberg had more points so clearly he was the better driver than Hamilton". The sole reason I give even a marginal **** about the title result is to shut those people up in the future.
The reality is, the title doesn't matter, the individual races do. If a Merc driver wins the title, then we find out a month later that Merc used traction control throughout the year and the title was removed from them.... does it change the individual races you watched? they were either good to watch or not, I watch the races for the races, not a list of drivers come the end of the season.
Hamilton has been driver of the year by a mile. Riccy has been great, but Hamilton has gone out there and beaten a good-very good driver who was also in a great car and was comfortable in that car. The Red Bull is a great car at certain tracks and Riccy has as with Hamilton, destroyed his team mate.
The difference is Hamilton has had more fights with his team mate, his team mate has had him under pressure all year(Riccy has faced zero pressure from Vettel), due to a DNF start of the season Hamilton has been under pressure and chasing a team mate for almost the entire season and he's followed that up with simply brilliant driving. Aside from places like Bahrain where at a disadvantage due to safety car and being on worse tires he kept taking the position back. The consistency in races is unbelievable, when behind he would gain on Rosberg lap after lap, applying the pressure, either his car broke or Rosberg broke, but Hamilton didn't.
Hamilton has had to deal with a cheating team mate who actually knocked him out of one race and after that he came back again and won 5 in a row, several from behind Rosberg again showing the consistency, the pure speed every lap to catch up.
If Rosberg won the title none of what I've just said changes, he's been beaten soundly. If everyone had a little sense then 5 of 50 years from now no one would go "duh, Rosberg had more points so clearly he was the better driver than Hamilton". The sole reason I give even a marginal **** about the title result is to shut those people up in the future.
Oh? Even though the double points could interfer with whoever wins the WC any true fan will accept that's the way it is and move on to the next season. Only football supporters seem to get furious over something like this, oh, and LH fans of course. I think back to the only WC he won and I feel it was Massa who deserved it more and was robbed. But furious, no..
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Wow, I didn't realise that Hamilton has only not won four of the races that he has finished. Its even more amazing when you realise that two of those non-wins were due to total car failures in qualifying (brake failure in Germany and engine fire in Hungary). When you realise that none of Hamilton's retirements were his fault (two car failures and a crash almost universally accepted to be Rosberg's fault) its amazing that there is still competition for the championship right now
In that order would be nice too. Alonso deserves a win for driving that red PoS for years.
A man can but dream...
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I think people keep forgetting, or purposefully ignoring in the case of several members, that Rosberg has gained points through cheating on more than one occasion this season. He knocked off his direct title rival and managed to likely chop 25 points off Hamilton's total minimum, Monaco, reversing out of a run off during live qualifying... some people believe it's an accident, 99% of people don't believe it was an accident. Again a points gain, Canada, cutting corners and flooring it just to stay ahead, Italy, missing corners rather than trying harder to make the corners.
Even if you want to ignore everything else but purposefully hitting Hamilton, that would make the gap 49 points, so getting 1 more point than Rosberg here would make the final race irrelevant.
I guess those guys who think it's okay for Rosberg to smack into Hamilton that if Hamilton is leading going into the double points race Hamilton just smacks into Rosberg.
I'm still not sure about Monaco, but him hitting Hamilton was stupid move.
But it's all irrelevant really because the most pain caused to Hamilton this year has been from reliability which isn't Nico's fault.
Hamilton is by far the more deserving champion this year and it will make a joke of F1 if the silly double points rule and reliability take that away from him.
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Why do people think button is the king or rain? There is a vast difference between being seconds faster on the same tires in such conditions and simply making the switch to a dry/inter/full wet at the right time and getting lucky.
We've seen Button get those calls wrong probably as often as right. The simple fact is the front 3-4 drivers find it tough to take such a risk and have little to gain and a lot to lose. Often the big drives come from making a risky switch when much further down and getting a 5-10 second a lap advantage for a couple of laps, or when getting it wrong like Button did this year, ending up slower than everyone else.
It's gambling, and it happens more often on cars further down the grid, Button being considered good because he gambles more often because he's often further back is nuts.
Being fast in the specific conditions is for me completely different to taking a huge gamble on which tire to be on, sometimes that gamble works, sometimes not.
While Hamilton managed to smack into Button, the pace difference in the same car on the same tires was hilarious, Hamilton was eating him alive.
I saw I think it was british gp 08 maybe where it was peeing down, Hamilton was destroying everyone else on the inters, Barrichello took the gamble, went full wets and ended up much much faster than most for a long period. He wasn't better in the wet just made a decision others didn't. Hamilton though was supreme on the inter, he was 3-4 seconds a lap faster than anyone else on inters, I don't think Button has ever been really any faster in the wet than other drivers. He just takes bigger risks and the biggest risks usually when he's for whatever reason at the back of the pack and it's paid off the most.
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If Rosberg got a banned from the Monaco GP like Schumi was for the same thing, ruining everyone elses lap on purpose, and he hadn't hit Hamilton at Spa... Hamilton would already have won the title. It's very relevant. Reliability will hurt every driver to a degree every year, luck comes into it a lot, it's pretty rare that both drivers in a team will have exactly the same reliability every year. But without Rosberg adding to the reliability advantage with cheating, Hamilton would basically have this in the bag. Even just the Spa situation with 25 more points he'd need 1 more point full stop, not 1 more than Rosberg but a single point to win the title.
The Spa incident alone has made a monumental difference and Monaco added to it could mean Hamilton had already won it.
