Interstellar -- Trailer (Spoilers!)
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That's a bit of an outlandish statement not to be quoted as a personal opinion, I think it pales in comparison because of it's many many flaws. If anything it's my opinion that it's an attempt to copy 2001 in the hope of be recognized in the same light.
They do say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
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No, Southampton IMAX (or at least what passes for am IMAX in Southampton)...I rarely if ever go to the Salisbury Cinema, no easy parking, it's damp and the screens are a bit mothbitten in places.
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Its not outlandish and of course its a personal opinion...whether anyone likes a film or not (or any subjective medium) is entirely going to be a personal opinion.
I went last night to The Southampton IMAX for the 8pm showing.
Its not outlandish and of course its a personal opinion...whether anyone likes a film or not (or any subjective medium) is entirely going to be a personal opinion.
I think one thing we will disagree on is that that was an outlandish statement.
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Off to watch it tonight!
That is entirely subjective, unless you are stating that holding an opinion based on the subjective opinion of the individual of the realised adaptation of a film over the themes and expression of those themes as expressed on screen. The problem with Kubrick was that I don't think he entirely understood the themes of a manipulated mankind and expression of Clarke's ideas regarding the constant rebirth of mankind, so he just created another abstract to convey an abstract.
Therein lie the path to madness.
I love 2001, I think it is an amazing piece of cinema, but I also think that it is flawed in the way that it was made to appeal to an audience of the time, I float between it being a masterpiece and an abstract indulgence of the film-makers..the film has poor dialogue, poor character development and relies heavily on the audience itself making what it wants out of the abstraction of the final part of the storytelling. While it will be argued (and has been to death) that this was intentional on Kubricks part for various reasons, it also shows that whatever you think of the film is entirely subjective, ironically in an objective fashion as that is what the film-maker almost certainly intended if you go down that particular rabbit hole. That is possibly part of its genius.
The same will undoubtably be said about Interstellar, and I suspect that it will grow in stature as the years pass...just like Kubricks film.
Anyway, this thread is about an entirely different film with a different theme...but that will attract similar criticisms, as your initial opinion illustrates.
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Went to see this last night.. and was massively impressed with it.
I liked how they approached the idea of.. well I don't think I can actually say without spoiling it.. but having read Hawking's a brief history of time.. and somewhat understanding sections of it.. I loved the way it all tied together
The people I watched it with were not of the same opinion as me.. but I'd easily give this a 9 out of 10 without hesitation.
I liked how they approached the idea of.. well I don't think I can actually say without spoiling it.. but having read Hawking's a brief history of time.. and somewhat understanding sections of it.. I loved the way it all tied together
The people I watched it with were not of the same opinion as me.. but I'd easily give this a 9 out of 10 without hesitation.
For the sake of my time and effort I will not reply to counter your unsubjective musing on very tangible reality like the merits of the most highly acclaimed sci fi movie of all time being amateurish, compared to Interstellar.
It's time I neither have nor want to waste.
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Fine, if you cannot or will not support your opinion then consider it settled, particularly as you say my musings are unsubjective, therefore ironically, objective.
Another irony is upon its release 2001 was subject to opinions like you have on Interstellar, it's universal acclaim largely grew over time. I suspect many people wax lyrical about 2001 (and many other Kubrick films) simply because it's cool to like Kubrick, a bit like some people with certain books and authors.
And also it's pretty daft to take the comparison in the literal sense in the first place, outlandish indeed!!. It appears that was the most ironic part of it all.
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Thanks Tres! I thought a few more folks would chime in too but I guess it's more interesting to bicker about it being the best film evaaar.
As far as 6+7 goes, what other issues did you notice? I thought my theory fit there pretty well and it answers 8 if the station appeared just before.
1.) What made Murph come to the conclusion that it was her father in the bookcase?
2.) How did Murph realise that a broken watch was storing a binary signal in a stuck minute hand?
3.) If future humans built the 5th dimension bookcase environment for him to ultimately save humanity, then that's a paradox... they wouldn't have been in existence to initially send Cooper to save themselves.
4.) Why didn't Dr. Cain just eventually reveal the correct formula to Plan A. Matt Damon said the professor had figured out the calculation before he himself left Earth so why would he take that solution to the grave?
5.) Where did the Cooper Station find Cooper? Didn't he just go through a black hole.
6.) Why were Cooper and Hathaway the same age at the end of the film? He'd just travelled through a black hole and so much time had passed that Murph was dying of old age.
7.) If Cooper gave Murphy the mavity solution when she was 38 and then she was dying of old age at the end of the film, that's around 50 years in between. Considering the Cooper Station was already built and ready to go as soon as that mavity equation was solved, then when they traveled through the worm hole why hadn't they already sent a rescue ship to collect Hathaway and the remainder of the original 12 space crew.
8.) Why did Cooper steal a ship to go to Hathaway, he knew she was going to reconnect with her love interest?
2.) How did Murph realise that a broken watch was storing a binary signal in a stuck minute hand?
3.) If future humans built the 5th dimension bookcase environment for him to ultimately save humanity, then that's a paradox... they wouldn't have been in existence to initially send Cooper to save themselves.
4.) Why didn't Dr. Cain just eventually reveal the correct formula to Plan A. Matt Damon said the professor had figured out the calculation before he himself left Earth so why would he take that solution to the grave?
5.) Where did the Cooper Station find Cooper? Didn't he just go through a black hole.
6.) Why were Cooper and Hathaway the same age at the end of the film? He'd just travelled through a black hole and so much time had passed that Murph was dying of old age.
7.) If Cooper gave Murphy the mavity solution when she was 38 and then she was dying of old age at the end of the film, that's around 50 years in between. Considering the Cooper Station was already built and ready to go as soon as that mavity equation was solved, then when they traveled through the worm hole why hadn't they already sent a rescue ship to collect Hathaway and the remainder of the original 12 space crew.
8.) Why did Cooper steal a ship to go to Hathaway, he knew she was going to reconnect with her love interest?
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1.) The usual 'love' and 'connection' malarkey
2.) It was morse code she recognised
3.) Yeah, I've got nothing on this one.
4.) He didn't have the solution - he knew that his formula, and therefore plan A, was impossible without the black hole singularity data. That's what he solved.
5.) He was pushed back through the wormhole, to our solar system's side, by 5D buddies. It was already being orbited by NASA / ?Cooper station
6 + 7.) This is a big plot hole, lots of little time issues like this one. Only answer is the 5D beings somehow dealt with Cooper's time issue.
8.) Yeah, weird bit. Surely Cooper station and the surviving humans would end up going to that planet anyway, to recolonise and thrive? Cooper should be a hero. He could just set up a group to go and get her, not have to steal a tiny ship that would take a few years to get there!
2.) It was morse code she recognised
3.) Yeah, I've got nothing on this one.
4.) He didn't have the solution - he knew that his formula, and therefore plan A, was impossible without the black hole singularity data. That's what he solved.
5.) He was pushed back through the wormhole, to our solar system's side, by 5D buddies. It was already being orbited by NASA / ?Cooper station
6 + 7.) This is a big plot hole, lots of little time issues like this one. Only answer is the 5D beings somehow dealt with Cooper's time issue.
8.) Yeah, weird bit. Surely Cooper station and the surviving humans would end up going to that planet anyway, to recolonise and thrive? Cooper should be a hero. He could just set up a group to go and get her, not have to steal a tiny ship that would take a few years to get there!
Thanks Tres! I thought a few more folks would chime in too but I guess it's more interesting to bicker about it being the best film evaaar.
As far as 6+7 goes, what other issues did you notice? I thought my theory fit there pretty well and it answers 8 if the station appeared just before.
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This guy made me laugh so hard! I agree these were glaringly bad elements but it didn't stop it from being a great flick.
With regard to 6+7.
I think Cooper and Hathaway, entered the Blackhole at the same time. Time slowed for both of them and on earth his daughter went from 30-80 as they slowed. One came out on the other side to the planet, the other fell into the blackhole. This is where I think you have to ignore the fact time would have slowed greater for him in the centre, than her on the outside as it turns out the 5d beings had created a 3d space inside the event horizon.
When he is then pushed out of the hole he is neither part of time or space, as you see from fact he is the person who makes the handshake with Hathaway a few days previous.
None the less he pops out of the wormhole at relatively the same time Hathaway would have made it too the planet, but because of relativity, 50 years had past on earth.
7.. Again, due to relativity, if she had gone to save Hathaway when she was 38, due to the fact Hathaway was on the edge of the blackhole, she'd have had to wait 50 years in the other galaxy until Hathaway appeared again, seemingly to her only minutes would have passed.
Number 2 for me was a bit stupid imo. She said earlier in the film that somewhere what was the solution was to be found in the messages in her room (christ knows why she thought that) on closer inspection she has an epiphany that the STAY message was real, and that the ghost was her father. (again why she jumps to that conclusion I don't know, I assume it's the underlying theme of love jumps dimensions)
She is then going to leave , until she accidentally stumbles upon the watch. Which she recognises, that just like the mavity dust is a binary code. (seems a bit of a stretch but hey)
What annoys me is that, mavity affects the watch were ever it is, not just in the room. As she takes it away, and mavity is not repeating.
I think it begs the question. Were the planets even there too be explored, or was the blackhole the whole reason for the wormhole to that galaxy.
I think the rest have been answered really.
I think Cooper and Hathaway, entered the Blackhole at the same time. Time slowed for both of them and on earth his daughter went from 30-80 as they slowed. One came out on the other side to the planet, the other fell into the blackhole. This is where I think you have to ignore the fact time would have slowed greater for him in the centre, than her on the outside as it turns out the 5d beings had created a 3d space inside the event horizon.
When he is then pushed out of the hole he is neither part of time or space, as you see from fact he is the person who makes the handshake with Hathaway a few days previous.
None the less he pops out of the wormhole at relatively the same time Hathaway would have made it too the planet, but because of relativity, 50 years had past on earth.
7.. Again, due to relativity, if she had gone to save Hathaway when she was 38, due to the fact Hathaway was on the edge of the blackhole, she'd have had to wait 50 years in the other galaxy until Hathaway appeared again, seemingly to her only minutes would have passed.
Number 2 for me was a bit stupid imo. She said earlier in the film that somewhere what was the solution was to be found in the messages in her room (christ knows why she thought that) on closer inspection she has an epiphany that the STAY message was real, and that the ghost was her father. (again why she jumps to that conclusion I don't know, I assume it's the underlying theme of love jumps dimensions)
She is then going to leave , until she accidentally stumbles upon the watch. Which she recognises, that just like the mavity dust is a binary code. (seems a bit of a stretch but hey)
What annoys me is that, mavity affects the watch were ever it is, not just in the room. As she takes it away, and mavity is not repeating.
I think it begs the question. Were the planets even there too be explored, or was the blackhole the whole reason for the wormhole to that galaxy.
I think the rest have been answered really.
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FANNNTASTIC film, love it
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Just got back from seeing this, I enjoyed it, though I really struggled with a few things that have already been mentioned, namely:
1. How on earth would future humans be able to build the bookcase dimension to get Cooper to relay the equation to Murph? If they had survived to build that for him, why do they even need him?
2. I really struggled to understand how Murph solved the equation thanks to Cooper when she was in her late 30s, but then by the time they find Cooper, who was somewhere near Saturn by that point having left the black hole, she's suddenly in her 80s. I guess it was relativity, time going much more slowly in the black hole and in the bookcase dimension, but it seemed a bit stupid to me.
3. Are we to assume that Brand is on the planet alone and that Edmonds had died (hence the end of the broadcasts from him)? I'm guessing that's why we see Brand laying Edmond's patch by the rock at the end before walking off.
2. I really struggled to understand how Murph solved the equation thanks to Cooper when she was in her late 30s, but then by the time they find Cooper, who was somewhere near Saturn by that point having left the black hole, she's suddenly in her 80s. I guess it was relativity, time going much more slowly in the black hole and in the bookcase dimension, but it seemed a bit stupid to me.
3. Are we to assume that Brand is on the planet alone and that Edmonds had died (hence the end of the broadcasts from him)? I'm guessing that's why we see Brand laying Edmond's patch by the rock at the end before walking off.
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