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[r22snapper]

The poor TIM, impeding temperatures, it's just a little meh. I find it an unacceptable flaw. But I'd rather take poor temperatures over worse performance.

Fair one. I see where you're coming from, I just think the TIM issue is a little overdone.

 

[Orangey]

Haswell are great overcookers.

 

[Freddie1980]

The TIM isn't the problem, the adhesive used leaves a small gap between the ihs and die. Delid and clean the mess around the die the temps are a lot better. That would also explain why people are getting different experiences with DC it appears the luck of the draw comes down to who chips has the cleanest application of adhesive.

 

[NirK]

the devils canyon are fine now. it was haswell and ivy bridge that were bad.

I havn't overclocked this new 4690k I got yet but at stock 3.9Ghz with multicore enhancement on it gets to about 55 degrees max... idles at about 25-30 on a thermalright macho rev.a Pretty good tbh.

 

[ALXAndy]

The TIM isn't the problem, the adhesive used leaves a small gap between the ihs and die. Delid and clean the mess around the die the temps are a lot better. That would also explain why people are getting different experiences with DC it appears the luck of the draw comes down to who chips has the cleanest application of adhesive.

The actual problem is that the die wasn't designed for a desktop computer and thus, you have problems.

It can't be soldered because it is too small and in testing Intel realised that the die would crack if it was heated up to the sorts of temps it takes solder to flow.

This will not get better with time, Intel are about to shrink again. As they shrink dies get smaller, voltages get lower and voltage tolerances shrink also. Don't expect things to get better, they will only get worse.

Very quickly? the desktop market is dying. Take a walk down to one of them nasty stores and take a look around. All of the desktops they sell are puny little piles of poop and mostly so small you couldn't even fit a GPU in if you tried.

It's all about the mobile market now. That's where you need to be to stay afloat which is why companies like Nvidia are desperately trying to penetrate the tablet market. If they fail? they'll likely go bankrupt. A few hardened enthusiasts and their marketing strategies to make us buy everything is not enough to keep a huge corporation like that in business.

Only the die hard buy everything they make, same goes for Intel. I bought my 3970x used because it offered much better value than any X99 product, and before that I was using an AMD. So Intel, theoretically, ain't had no money from me since my Xeon E3 1220 and before that my I7 950.

And that's a huge problem.

 

[Dave2150]

The actual problem is that the die wasn't designed for a desktop computer and thus, you have problems.

It can't be soldered because it is too small and in testing Intel realised that the die would crack if it was heated up to the sorts of temps it takes solder to flow.

This will not get better with time, Intel are about to shrink again. As they shrink dies get smaller, voltages get lower and voltage tolerances shrink also. Don't expect things to get better, they will only get worse.

Very quickly? the desktop market is dying. Take a walk down to one of them nasty stores and take a look around. All of the desktops they sell are puny little piles of poop and mostly so small you couldn't even fit a GPU in if you tried.

It's all about the mobile market now. That's where you need to be to stay afloat which is why companies like Nvidia are desperately trying to penetrate the tablet market. If they fail? they'll likely go bankrupt. A few hardened enthusiasts and their marketing strategies to make us buy everything is not enough to keep a huge corporation like that in business.

Only the die hard buy everything they make, same goes for Intel. I bought my 3970x used because it offered much better value than any X99 product, and before that I was using an AMD. So Intel, theoretically, ain't had no money from me since my Xeon E3 1220 and before that my I7 950.

And that's a huge problem.

Intel are still making huge profits. They will produce desktop CPU's that are the only option for performance users for decades to come.

Regarding your X79 system, although you bought it second hand, obvious Intel sold it to someone first to begin with - so they still got 'your' money, just indirectly.

 

[Make]

I personally think we'll see a "second coming" of PC gaming, unless they release a new wave of consoles in the next 2-3 years.

4k is coming, and 4k gaming is coming. Oculus rift is coming. Virtual reality is coming. Today's consoles can't handle this.

They have good games that are console exclusive, and Ubisoft is trying their best to keep people from realizing how much better the experience is on a PC.. but you can't really hide the truth forever.

As for the TIM issue / heatspreader glue, I don't believe it's done on purpose. Putting liquid ultra for example in production would increase the CPU prices too high on these mainstream chips. Enthusiasts have Ivy-E/Haswell-E with solder. Besides, who actually is CPU-capped at a 4.2ghz overclock, but not at 4.5ghz? It makes a difference as a number, but not really in practice. What I mean is, this is a total non-issue for us users.

 

[vintage-x]

I dont get why people are saying its completely unacceptable. They run well within their specifications its only when you add extra voltage that temps become a problem and Intel didn't design them to run at those types of volts otherwise they would have had to use different TIM.

Intel haven't got great competition in the high end market right now and so long as people keep buying their CPUs not much is going to change.

Hopefully AMD will do another athalon 64 chip and catch them with their pants down like they did against the Pentium 4 and if that does happen then and only then will the situation improve

 

[ALXAndy]

Intel are still making huge profits. They will produce desktop CPU's that are the only option for performance users for decades to come.

Regarding your X79 system, although you bought it second hand, obvious Intel sold it to someone first to begin with - so they still got 'your' money, just indirectly.

They got one sale. They wanted 2.

As for the profits thing, where did I say they weren't?

 

[Freddie1980]

I personally think we'll see a "second coming" of PC gaming, unless they release a new wave of consoles in the next 2-3 years.

4k is coming, and 4k gaming is coming. Oculus rift is coming. Virtual reality is coming. Today's consoles can't handle this.

They have good games that are console exclusive, and Ubisoft is trying their best to keep people from realizing how much better the experience is on a PC.. but you can't really hide the truth forever.

As for the TIM issue / heatspreader glue, I don't believe it's done on purpose. Putting liquid ultra for example in production would increase the CPU prices too high on these mainstream chips. Enthusiasts have Ivy-E/Haswell-E with solder. Besides, who actually is CPU-capped at a 4.2ghz overclock, but not at 4.5ghz? It makes a difference as a number, but not really in practice. What I mean is, this is a total non-issue for us users.

To be fair I think we are already in the "2nd age of PC gaming" typically when a new console is launched PC gamers will normally here how the current generation of consoles is just as powerful as a top end PC and it's the end of PC gaming etc, well that just hasn't happened this time around.

More developers are taking the PC platform more seriously this time around and the PC is a great platform to advertise your games on because if you want your product to look as good as technology will allow then your only option is the PC. Also what value does a console offer these days? More and more people have tablets for mobile gaming, smart TV's for on demand entertainment and if you really want to play games a PC much better value then a console.