Brazilian Grand Prix 2014, São Paulo - Race 18/19

Was it Hockenheim this year?

That's what I thought of, can't remember which turn it was but if I'm right in thinking it was a sharp right hander next, 90 degree. Think Alonso locked up pretty badly as well, and yes that was sublime wheel to wheel stuff.
 
That's what I thought of, can't remember which turn it was but if I'm right in thinking it was a sharp right hander next, 90 degree. Think Alonso locked up pretty badly as well, and yes that was sublime wheel to wheel stuff.

Ahh, I was thinking of this. It's not Alonso though, it's Ricciardo. So I'm completely wrong :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqHG256arrc
 
Raikonnen has great wheel to wheel combat skills.

So many times he's easier to pass than water. So many times he doesn't even try hard enough to defend. He does pull off some decent moves in those rare moments he's is on it. I can't wait to see how he stands up to Vettel (if the rumoured happens).
 
If Rosberg wins the next race then I couldn't care less about double points as he'd have won the last two races of this season which Lewis has declared he is going 'all out gunz blazing for'.... so by his own admission Lewis simply wouldn't have got the job done.

That's my opinion anyway, whoever wins the Championship now deserves it, whether it be Lewis or Nico, gl to them both.

Hamilton has won more than half the races this season and had podiums in every race he finished. There's no sane definition of "getting the job done" that this doesn't fit.

No driver has ever won four consecutive races and not taken the WDC. Hamilton has done this twice in one season including a streak of five wins and could still lose it. He could have lost it even had he won at Interlagos. Double points is terrible.
 
The pace of that car has been a gift and a curse for Hamilton. It makes for a super easy run to the title with zero competition but it means even if his team mate is having issues he can get second with ease. The pace means no one can split them. That could cost him the title too. Had the car only been 0.1 ahead of the red bull then many times when Lewis was making the difference a Red Bull would have got between them.

If Rosberg takes the title without double points, fair enough not a lot you can moan about really, if he takes it because of double points it won't do Rosberg any favours either. He will get slaughtered.
 
No driver has ever won four consecutive races and not taken the WDC. Hamilton has done this twice in one season including a streak of five wins and could still lose it. He could have lost it even had he won at Interlagos. Double points is terrible.

And if he finishes 7th or lower in Abu Dhabi he would still lose it even without double points.

Double points will only influence this years title if Lewis finishes 3rd-6th. Based on Mercedes pace this season Lewis is almost certain to finish either on the podium or not at all. In neither scenario would double points have determined the title.

The whole double points thing is being massively overblown.
 
Double points is stupid however I agree it most probably wont change the outcome of this years championship. There is less than a normal race win between them so even without double points it would be down to Abu Dhabi. I know the double points changes what positions Hamilton can finish but going by this season you would have to say Hamilton is either going to finish 1st, 2nd or DNF.

By that logic though Hamilton has a 66.6% chance of winning the WDC. You heard it here first :p
 
if he keeps his nose clean and has no reliability problems it should be easy to win the wdc for him. In the bag almost.
 
if he keeps his nose clean and has no reliability problems it should be easy to win the wdc for him. In the bag almost.

"Almost" being very appropriate given a lot of other drivers on the grid are less than predictable in any given situation - even without the chance of either title-chasing protagonist getting caught up in another driver's .....situation

Brazil was also the 2nd time this season that LH got away with spinning out and luckily for him not connecting with the barrier, nearly anyone else in either situation would have been a DNF right there
 
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"Almost" being very appropriate given a lot of other drivers on the grid are less than predictable in any given situation - even without the chance of either title-chasing protagonist getting caught up in another driver's .....situation

All the other drivers are keeping out the way because they know not to be silly. A bit like the old Senna days.

Brazil was also the 2nd time this season that LH got away with spinning out and luckily for him not connecting with the barrier, nearly anyone else in either situation would have been a DNF right there

WHAT! hmmm vimto spun there with other cars and went on to win the WDC on the same day.
The barrier at that corner is a very long way from the track. Are you still a vettel supporter?
 
I did think Hamilton's spin the other day was a bit schoolboy. He shouldn't be doing that when the finish line for the championship is in sight. That said, I don't think it's a coincidence that top drivers spin off more regularly where there's plenty of run off, and less regularly when there's armcos or gravel.
 
All the other drivers are keeping out the way because they know not to be silly. A bit like the old Senna days.

I was talking about un-intentional connections where the other driver has already lost control :)

WHAT! hmmm vimto spun there with other cars and went on to win the WDC on the same day.
The barrier at that corner is a very long way from the track. Are you still a vettel supporter?

I was never a Vettel supporter, and he spun in the middle of the track and I don't believe he actually went off track

LH was going backwards for quite a way actually off the track already and even Herbert and Crofty both said at different times he was lucky not to connect to that barrier
 
I did think Hamilton's spin the other day was a bit schoolboy. He shouldn't be doing that when the finish line for the championship is in sight. That said, I don't think it's a coincidence that top drivers spin off more regularly where there's plenty of run off, and less regularly when there's armcos or gravel.

LOL.
 
I did think Hamilton's spin the other day was a bit schoolboy. He shouldn't be doing that when the finish line for the championship is in sight. That said, I don't think it's a coincidence that top drivers spin off more regularly where there's plenty of run off, and less regularly when there's armcos or gravel.


Did you not hear the team radio saying sorry to Lewis as they mucked up the pit stop yet again? that was the reason he span.
 
Did you not hear the team radio saying sorry to Lewis as they mucked up the pit stop yet again? that was the reason he span.

And Toto Wolff was less apologetic suggesting it was mutual.

They clearly didn't test this out on Friday when they should have done, so it was a risk from both sides, but a risk they felt worth taking.

It's not the first time Hamilton's taken a similar risk and ultimately it was the reason he didn't win the 2007 championship.
 
And Toto Wolff was less apologetic suggesting it was mutual.

They clearly didn't test this out on Friday when they should have done, so it was a risk from both sides, but a risk they felt worth taking.

It's not the first time Hamilton's taken a similar risk and ultimately it was the reason he didn't win the 2007 championship.

Jesus H Christ. They've been doing it since the first race..Hammer time Lewis.
Lewis does the fastest lap he can then pits. But for some unknown reason they never called him in
after the fast lap which caused his tires to fall off. Just watch the BBC interview with Lewis.
 
It makes little difference. Either way Hamilton wouldn't have sealed the championship. In the next race he is either going to come 1st, 2nd (which will be enough) or get a DNF (which will probably cost him the championship). I just hope Mercedes have sorted the reliability issues now.
 
If Rosberg wins the next race then I couldn't care less about double points as he'd have won the last two races of this season which Lewis has declared he is going 'all out gunz blazing for'.... so by his own admission Lewis simply wouldn't have got the job done.

That's my opinion anyway, whoever wins the Championship now deserves it, whether it be Lewis or Nico, gl to them both.

100% agree... As much as I am a Hamilton fan if he doesn't win the WDC this year the guy is a bit of a joke if I am being honest with myself... Should have won the WDC 2007... cocked it up... should have won the WDC in 2010 (a 4th in Italy and Singapore i.e the position he was in when he damaged his car making overtakes would have guaranteed it)... Should have won the WDC in 2014 but got pipped at the post by Rosberg. Where do the excuses stop?

Lets face it Hamilton could/should be a 4 time champion but there is a real possibility at the end of this season he will still be a 1-time champion...

As for people saying he has 'blown Rosberg away'... This is pretty much BS... Rosberg has been more dominate in terms of qualifying pace while Hamilton has has held the advantage on race... The difference between them is very slight. In a different age (no KERS and DRS) Rosberg would have already won the WDC on account of having less DNFs.

People need to wake up and realise Hamilton 'ain't all that'.... If he clinches the WDC in Abu Dhabi then great... If he doesn't then he is the perennial loser (typical Brit)... A guy who has had 4 chances at the WDC and only made it happen once... Rosberg on the other hand will be 1 for 1. Just think about that!
 
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Jesus H Christ. They've been doing it since the first race..Hammer time Lewis.
Lewis does the fastest lap he can then pits. But for some unknown reason they never called him in
after the fast lap which caused his tires to fall off. Just watch the BBC interview with Lewis.

if they NEVER call him in, maybe they were expecting him?

The other thing is maybe in those circumstances Lewis could be pro-active and say "Im coming in"

Its not all anyone's fault, but there is clearly fault on both sides
 
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