Dumb/Lazy White British

[D.P.]

Yup,

Imagine the uproar if someone else here posted something similar (like Crime figures) about ethnic minorities? Double standards much?

The problem whenever anyone posts anything like crime figures for ethnic minorities is the racists can't control themselves and make all sorts or unsubstantiated claims and bigoted rants rather than trying to have an intelligent debate about what the figures mean and how changes could be made.


The same is happening in this thread sadly. Instead of an intelligent debate about how to motivate and instill the virtues of education across all pupils it has turned in to a factless rant about how immigrants are causing English pupils to under perform, even although the article makes it very clear that that is not the case.

 

[D.P.]

I never made that claim. What i said was that white British in London performance historically was better than it is now due to the immigration, not in comparison to the rest of the country. I am speaking historically specifically in london.

Immigrants especially ones coming from third world countries will have on average lower intelligence because their parents will have a lower intelligence than the first world parents in the uk.

Sure adults who speak many languages tend to be more intelligent. However an immigrant who is a child and learning english as a second language, is not applicable to the same sorts of scenario as an adult who knows many languages. A child coming from somalia is obviously going to struggle in english school due to language and lack of education their parents received. This goes without saying that these sorts of immigrants will negatively affect the performance of all other pupils who have intelligent parents and who speak english as a first language.

London also attracts the most ambitious people, white British and foreigners a like. It has nothing to do with diversity per se, it has more to do with london being london.

You need to provide evidence that immigrants have negatively effected performance of london white British children. The article makes it clear that that is not the case at all.

 

[Mark A]

Apparently the culture sucks too



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...rtuguese-academic-decries-filthy-English.html

Well it must be the case then if some random dude said so...

 

[Efour]

lol whites out

Race War you thick whities

 

[Zethor]

A child coming from somalia is obviously going to struggle in english school due to language and lack of education their parents received. This goes without saying that these sorts of immigrants will negatively affect the performance of all other pupils who have intelligent parents and who speak english as a first language.

Nice rambling but..

http://www.healthguidance.org/entry/16414/1/Learning-Two-Languages-Makes-Kids-Smarter.html

Children growing up learning two language (such as native + english) "have distinct learning advantages".

 

[deuse]

Irrelevant

So you keep saying. But we know the truth

 

[Sindri]

You need to provide evidence that immigrants have negatively effected performance of london white British children. The article makes it clear that that is not the case at all.

The need for translators/ multi-lingual assistants, an expenditure that wouldn't be necessary if English was the only language to cater for; this is obviously dependent on the presumption that resources available influence academic performance.

 

[doofer]

Hilarious that this Racial Bait Thread is still up and running but the other one was immediately nuked.

 

[Aedus]

Obviously really isn't it, it's because all of those foreigners came in and took our jobs, so there's none left for us!


Am I doing it right?

 

[phill1978]

The title was meant to provoke debate around the issue, you seem to have chosen to be offended by this and ignored the content of my posts entirely. The content does not provoke.
Perhaps I should have chosen to be politically correct myself, and renamed the thread to White British being failed, or underacheiving.

The hypocrisy does not lie with the OCUK admins, but with you.

if i vote ukip will you forgive me ?

Hilarious that this Racial Bait Thread is still up and running but the other one was immediately nuked.

and both sad at the same time

 

[anything I don't mind]

You need to provide evidence that immigrants have negatively effected performance of london white British children. The article makes it clear that that is not the case at all.

The article does not make that clear at all, the study makes no mention of long term GCSE results of white british in london. It only compares the white british in london to the results of the rest of the country, then comes to the conclusion that it must be the diversity.

 

[Xordium]

Dumb/Lazy Pakistani
Dumb/Lazy Black
Dumb/Lazy Bangladeshi
Dumb/Lazy Indians
Dumb/Lazy Chinese

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jan/08/minority-ethnic-workers-more-often-unemployed

So why do Pakistani people suck?
So why do Black people suck?
So why do Bangladeshi people suck?
So why do Indian people suck?
So why do Chinese people suck?

(maybe they are all over-educated and can't get proper or are too good to get proper jobs - hell if I know and I bet the people making all these statistics up to suit their agendas don't either)

 

[dannyjo22]

All of these threads pale into insignificance against the old "why do Pakistanis smell thread".

 

[D.P.]

The article does not make that clear at all, the study makes no mention of long term GCSE results of white british in london. It only compares the white british in london to the results of the rest of the country, then comes to the conclusion that it must be the diversity.

That is not what the article states at all.

The report indicates that on average children in London perform better than else where in the UK and the reason is the high number of immigrants. It specifically states there is no significant geographic effect on the performance of white British school children:

However, once children's ethnic background was factored in, the London effect in pupil progress was found to disappear, the report concludes.

Therefore the data shows that immigrants have no positive or negative effect on London's white British children. The reason for the high average London performance was that immigrants on average perform better than white British children on average and that since there are less white British children in London, the London average is better than the rest of the country.


If you believe that immigration has negatively impacted white British children in London then you will need to post some supporting evidence, the BBC article shows there is no such effect.

 

[D.P.]

The need for translators/ multi-lingual assistants, an expenditure that wouldn't be necessary if English was the only language to cater for; this is obviously dependent on the presumption that resources available influence academic performance.

That would be a possible causation, but the evidence from the article is that there is no effect so there is no point looking for causes to something that doesn't exist.

 

[Xordium]

It specifically states there is no significant geographic effect on the performance of white British school children:

School results tables for GCSE and A-Level would suggest otherwise.

 

[D.P.]

So you keep saying. But we know the truth

By your logic people that have never emigrated are also entirely biased and their opinion worthless.

 

[D.P.]

School results tables for GCSE and A-Level would suggest otherwise.

Not from London compared to outside London when taking into account ethnicity.

London on average does better than the rest of the UK on average, that is a well known fact - the reason for which is described in the BBC article!

 

[Xordium]

Not from London compared to outside London.

From London compared to everywhere outside or London to specific regions that would show the assumption the false?

How does Bradford and Leicester fair with their large immigrant populations? Surely they should out-perform other places? How does Birmingham fair because it seem looking at league tables it's the King Edward's Schools with their largely white population that are way ahead of everyone else nationally and locally?

The assumptions here are not really based on proper examination mostly because you can't really compare London to anywhere else in this country. The trends don't follow nationally do they higher immigrant influxes into other areas have not shown the same results.

We could argue that children do better at school if they are not tired and having better public transport provision in London is helping them get to school and from school more rested - but that would be equally as daft and open to question.

Edit: The problem here is you are comparing a London immigrant population that will in all likelihood be very professional and motivated and then extrapolating that across all immigrants. This is about the quality of the people coming in and their motivation to stimulate their children. Strangely enough a family where mum and dad are nurses from Africa will be more motivated than your average family. A family where dad is a doctor from Pakistan will be more motivated. A family where mum and dad are lawyers from the states will be more motivated. But if the people coming in are not of that sort of ilk it is wrong to then say all immigrants will hold the same values and priorities. It is not about the immigrants themselves it's about what they do. Sorry for doing it as an edit didn't think it warranted another post.

Plus the OP is racist towards white people - I am not 'white' as most would describe and even I can see that. That's hardly good for debate is it just riles people to go all BNP for no good reason which I am assuming was the intention. If that is the case the mods need to maintain consistency.

 

[D.P.]

From London compared to everywhere outside or London to specific regions that would show the assumption the false?

How does Bradford and Leicester fair with their large immigrant populations? Surely they should out-perform other places? How does Birmingham fair because it seem looking at league tables it's the King Edward's Schools with their largely white population that are way ahead of everyone else nationally and locally?

The assumptions here are not really based on proper examination mostly because you can't really compare London to anywhere else in this country. The trends don't follow nationally do they higher immigrant influxes into other areas have not shown the same results.

We could argue that children do better at school if they are not tired and having better public transport provision in London is helping them get to school and from school more rested - but that would be equally as daft and open to question.

Edit: The problem here is you are comparing a London immigrant population that will in all likelihood be very professional and motivated and then extrapolating that across all immigrants. This is about the quality of the people coming in and their motivation to stimulate their children. Strangely enough a family where mum and dad are nurses from Africa will be more motivated than your average family. A family where dad is a doctor from Pakistan will be more motivated. A family where mum and dad are lawyers from the states will be more motivated. But if the people coming in are not of that sort of ilk it is wrong to then say all immigrants will hold the same values and priorities. It is not about the immigrants themselves it's about what they do. Sorry for doing it as an edit didn't think it warranted another post.

Plus the OP is racist towards white people - I am not 'white' as most would describe and even I can see that. That's hardly good for debate is it just riles people to go all BNP for no good reason which I am assuming was the intention. If that is the case the mods need to maintain consistency.

I suggest you read the original article,i, it covers your questions.
http://www.bristol.ac.uk/cmpo/publications/papers/2014/wp333.pdf


I'm not generalizing anything here, but reiterating factual statements from the BBC article. London's school children do well, why, because of immigration. That doesn't explain anything about other cities or immigrants, no one said it did.