Wheel Chair vs Pushchairs

[Diddums]

What the **** is this ****?

What do you mean?

I'm merely saying that I wouldn't consider having kids without a car. If others choose to do so that's up to them. Of course cars break, people go through financial trouble, all the usual crap that life throws at you and that's perfectly understandable, but to choose that, is in my opinion, nuts.

 

[antijoke]

I think that attitude stinks basically.

At the end of the day this (for me) is more about the length of time the disabled passenger had to wait because he had to get off, it even says if there was a more regular service he would have lost.

 

[Diddums]

Why? I am inflicting nothing upon anyone, I am judging no one, I am merely stating my point of view and if others have different points of view, that's fine. How does that stink?

 

[KillBoY_UK]

You could say the same with some people who get disabled though. Played ruby and got an injury that resulted in you being paralyzed, clearly you made the choice to play and take the risk.

Clearly it's a completely flawed argument though.

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All dew respect thas clearly it's a completely flawed

The vast majority of people who are disabled DON'Tchose to be disabled and have to live in a wheelchair.

While vast majority of people who have children DO chose to have children directly (actively trying) or indirectly chose by not using conception etc.

 

[antijoke]

Why? I am inflicting nothing upon anyone, I am judging no one, I am merely stating my point of view and if others have different points of view, that's fine. How does that stink?

It's more so the original post I quoted, but it's also your dismissive attitude towards parents that for me, as a parent, stinks.

Nothing is so clear cut as you choose to have kids as you make out.

 

[JBod]

First come first served. Don't blame the people when the system is at fault. My wife often had to use the bus rather than the car to get the children to the hospital, have you seen the price of parking the car at an NHS hospital?

What do you propose, asking the woman to leave the bus in order for a disabled person to get on - in the case of my wife then missing a NHS appointment (with all the pain that entails)? Or waking a sleeping baby who will then scream for the next 20minutes and ruin that families day due to the child not getting a nap? If it is a mum alone with a baby have you ever actually tried to wake a sleeping baby while simultaniously collapsing a pram/buggy? Babies don't stand you know...

How many people in this thread advocating OMG DISABLED PEOPLE GET PRIORITY OF ALL THE THINGS are actually parents?

Guess what, life isn't fair. The best way to deal with these things is in a good old British queue - so I reiterate, first come first served or fix the system.

Perhaps have far less seating downstairs reserved for the elderly and far more space for standing/pushchairs or wheel chairs. What about more regular buses? What about suggesting the disabled person if they are that reliant on public transport should perhaps move to a more accomodating area?

 

[B@Th*nG]

surely a pushchair can just be folded up and she can take a seat and hold the baby? With the wheelchair you can't (at least not anywhere near as easily when you're not able bodied) - fold the pushchair up and sit down and make space. self righteous parents do my head in

B@

 

[KillBoY_UK]

surely a pushchair can just be folded up and she can take a seat and hold the baby? With the wheelchair you can't (at least not anywhere near as easily when you're not able bodied) - fold the pushchair up and sit down and make space. self righteous parents do my head in

B@

This is my thoughts as well

 

[B@Th*nG]

First come first served. Don't blame the people when the system is at fault. My wife often had to use the bus rather than the car to get the children to the hospital, have you seen the price of parking the car at an NHS hospital?

What do you propose, asking the woman to leave the bus in order for a disabled person to get on - in the case of my wife then missing a NHS appointment (with all the pain that entails)? Or waking a sleeping baby who will then scream for the next 20minutes and ruin that families day due to the child not getting a nap? If it is a mum alone with a baby have you ever actually tried to wake a sleeping baby while simultaniously collapsing a pram/buggy? Babies don't stand you know..

I'm sorry but it's a baby, it's not THAT hard.

B@

 

[antijoke]

surely a pushchair can just be folded up and she can take a seat and hold the baby? With the wheelchair you can't (at least not anywhere near as easily when you're not able bodied) - fold the pushchair up and sit down and make space. self righteous parents do my head in

B@

So, you are on a bus alone (not riding with someone you know), please explain to me how you remove a baby from the pushchair, and then proceed to fold away said pushchair? Where exactly do you store the inconvenience sorry baby whilst doing this?

 

[Diddums]

It's more so the original post I quoted, but it's also your dismissive attitude towards parents that for me, as a parent stinks.

Nothing is so clear cut as you choose to have kids as you make out.

I think you've misunderstood me. I am not dismissive of parents at all. I'm saying that I (me, just me, not anyone else, only me) wouldn't have kids without a car. If other parents choose to have kids without a car, it doesn't make them any less or different to anyone else in my eyes, hence why I said it's fine. Perhaps I might've worded it a bit better, but that's the gist of it.

With "nuts" what I should've said is "have the patience of a saint".

Anyone who has special needs on public transport, whether it be a wheelchair, push chair, walking stick, guide dog or any other form of requirement is, in London at least, in for a rough ride. If there's one thing that can kill your faith in humanity, it's the way those less fortunate than yourself get treated on public transport. It's mind blowing.

That's what I meant when I said "nuts".

 

[Haggisman]

I'm sorry but it's a baby, it's not THAT hard.

B@

I agree with this.

I can also guarantee that the people getting self-righteous about this are the same people who would start getting ***** about a baby screaming for the rest of the bus journey because it got woken up

So, you are on a bus alone (not riding with someone you know), please explain to me how you remove a baby from the pushchair, and then proceed to fold away said pushchair? Where exactly do you store the inconvenience sorry baby whilst doing this?

Most pushchairs can easily be folded up with 1 hand for exactly this reason.

 

[JBod]

I'm sorry but it's a baby, it's not THAT hard.

B@

Oh. Wow. Clearly not a parent. Not that hard.... seriously? Freakin seriously???

Surely a pushchair could just be folded up by somebody else, or the baby held by somebody else for a second, and she can take a seat and hold the baby? With the wheelchair you can't (at least not anywhere near as easily when you're not able bodied) - fold the pushchair up and sit down and make space. self righteous parents do my head in

Folding up the pushchair... do you know how much crap you have to carry around in order to accomodate a baby? Where do you suggest putting the bags? What do you suggest happens when the mother has to get off the bus? Carry a push chair, a large bag and a baby at the same time? Are you really advocating a mother hands her small baby to a random stranger on a bus? Or are you suggesting that for any parent who is alone with a child should always rely on a random stranger to collapse a buggy?

I realise this forum is heavily biased to single males between 16 and 45 but come on it should also be biased to people with an above average IQ.

 

[xb8browney]

All the buses I have seen have designated wheel chair area on one side and pushchair on the other side.

I've also seen signs that say if a wheelchair user cant get access the driver will call a taxi.

 

[antijoke]

FWIW I think there needs to be a radical re-think of bus layout for such things and there should be a few more spaces for disabled/pushchair users on buses, the bays should also be similar to disabled/parent/child spaces in car parks.

 

[JBod]

FWIW I think there needs to be a radical re-think of bus layout for such things and there should be a few more spaces for disabled/pushchair users on buses, the bays should also be similar to disabled/parent/child spaces in car parks.

Oh dont get me started on morons that use the parent/child parking spaces when they clearly have no children with them. Grinds my gears, THEY ARE WIDE SO WE CAN OPEN OUR FREAKIN DOORS AND GET CHILDREN OUT THE BACK YOU MORONS.

 

[cheesyboy]

There are plenty of reasons the pushchair may not simply have been able to be folded up. There may have been shopping or other kit in on board, for example.

In any case, it's all ******** arguments. We have two public transport users who have extra needs compared with the unimpaired. We shouldn't be expecting them to bicker over the one space the bus company has allocated; they both need it.

It's shocking that we expect people to have to accept such shoddy service. It's on the bus company to make it work. And that's what this story is actually about. Not picking at moronic arguments about who chose to be in need.

 

[eatcustard]

Wheelchair > push chair as far as I am concerned

 

[Haggisman]

FWIW I think there needs to be a radical re-think of bus layout for such things and there should be a few more spaces for disabled/pushchair users on buses, the bays should also be similar to disabled/parent/child spaces in car parks.

Yup! I think the article is focusing too much on pushchair vs wheelchair, when the real issue is that there isn't enough provision for both (or for multiple wheelchair users).

 

[JBod]

When don't they? Even if they accidentally get pregnant, or are raped, there's the option of abortion or adoption... a decision they can make post pregnancy but pre-birth.

Oh just shut up.

Really? "Sorry you dont have a car better have that abortion..." Or "Oops didnt realise I was heavily pregnant, can't afford a car so I will put up for adoption". Because Disabled people are valued higher than babies or are babies valued higher than disabled people? Or what about just treat everyone equally? If a bus/tube/train is full I can't get on and I get the next one. If the one and only space that is supposed to accomodate wheel chairs and push chairs is full then you can't get on and you will have to wait for the next one.