Will UKIP win its first seat in parliament tonight?
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I'm disgusted by that. I hate the BNP with a passion. Such a shame as I do feel national pride from the St George's cross and Union jacks. Do Union jacks fall under the same guise?
excluding the BNP bit. why ?
I suppose far right wing, EDL and BNP. Pure St. George's Cross is rare in other hands - Church of England use St. George's Cross but it now always contains arms of the diocese in the left-hand upper corner. Among army/navy colours I think civilians and civilian crafts are forbidden from flying St. George's Cross, that privilege belongs only to the Admiral of Royal Navy.
I personally always think of it as trouble. Football "firm" banners or fealty to EDL. I don't understand why people don't display Union Jack or with Union Jack if it's national pride (american style).
I wouldn't put too much weight behind that poll, if it's the one referred to here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-Britons-say-all-immigrants-should-leave.html
It seems like a heavily biased sample.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-Britons-say-all-immigrants-should-leave.html
It seems like a heavily biased sample.
Your reasoning being?
Oh, wow. Now that is some poll result! Who on earth is running this think tank, who am I quoting (runs to google scared).
I remain hopeful that 25% of the population aren't stupid enough to think "send back all migrants whether they are here legally or not" to be workable or even beneficial.
Presumably if 'only' 24% of the people surveyed in that poll think that the St George's Cross is a symbol of racism or extremism then the actual figure is higher. I would imagine a sample group placing immigration high up an agenda also contains a disproportionately high number of people who care about flying that flag.
I'm not sure if I'm honest. The St George cross tied together our history for a good 600 years (iirc) before being superseded by the UK flag. I suppose a lot of it was from my great grandparents and grandparents who used to display it proudly as a symbol of what they fought for in the wars.
Afaik the flag was never designed to represent racism so it seems a shame it's been sullied in that regards.
So your reasoning for it being a heavily biased sample is that you don't believe it? I was hoping you had a little more than that. I didn't see anything out of the ordinary on a cursory glance so I was wondering what I missed.
Well, yeah. I said it seemed biased. I have nothing to back up that statement, other than 25% support for all migrants being returned to their home countries being insanely high. The paper has chosen not to link to its sources for whatever reason.
The paper does link the group that produced the report. It was a largely leftist group as I said it was actually quite damning of the current liberal appeasement policies as they felt the voters were not being sufficiently engaged with and that the misrepresentation and obfuscation by politicians was forcing people towards rightwing views. It's actually a good balanced argument and something I agree with.
If you keep telling good people that they are wrong when they know damn well they are right then they will push back more than they would normally and demand and end to it all rather than isolating the bits that are actual problems.
If you keep telling good people that they are wrong when they know damn well they are right then they will push back more than they would normally and demand and end to it all rather than isolating the bits that are actual problems.
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Still don't understand people wanting to vote UKIP, particularly poor people, those in lowly paid jobs, those who have to survive on benefits, those who rely on the NHS.
Farage is an ex banker and still has all his chums in the City. The main reason he wants to get out of Europe is to avoid the regulation on the finance industry.
Forget immigration, forget the beer swilling to impress us "commoners", look at the latest recruits to UKIP, they are the right wing of the Tory party and there will be more.
Farage is an ex banker and still has all his chums in the City. The main reason he wants to get out of Europe is to avoid the regulation on the finance industry.
Forget immigration, forget the beer swilling to impress us "commoners", look at the latest recruits to UKIP, they are the right wing of the Tory party and there will be more.
http://www.britishfuture.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/How-To-Talk-About-Immigration-FINAL.pdf
It's clearer now, that wasn't an answer to be picked out of many, it was a statement to either agree, disagree or pick neither option on, and they've identified the British public as being 25% pro-immigration, 25% anti, and 50% in the middle. So it's not surprising they got roughly 25% agreement with that statement.
It's clearer now, that wasn't an answer to be picked out of many, it was a statement to either agree, disagree or pick neither option on, and they've identified the British public as being 25% pro-immigration, 25% anti, and 50% in the middle. So it's not surprising they got roughly 25% agreement with that statement.
Sorry bud, i meant why do you feel that way? ( or don't you ) what does a national flag mean to you personally amongst the other hundreds of national flags on earth
They also approve of the deep surveillance state and are into corporatism ( sadly, as I wanted to give them a chance)
apparently wearing a tweed jacket and drinking a beer means we will all be OK. Whether they win or not in future they are not as liberal towards the common white working man as they would have you believe.
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I suppose in certain conditions you can maintain nationalistic attachment to your country/micronation/macronation without being xenophobic or racist.
I would imagine many nationalists, who voted for independence of Scotland, really genuinely wanted to be just free Scotts in free Scotland, without wanting it to be nation of white people or nation without other British nations or foreigners or even exiting EU.
Many nationalist movements in "forgotten" countries, such as Andalusia or Basque Country (very tainted by paramilitary and terrorist actions) don't dive into global xenophobia or share any particular racist agenda other than "we want our country, land for our people" .