Really, I thought it was illegal for anyone to use except by Air Marshall's? Last thing you want on a plane is for a bullet to pierce the fuselage.
Justified or gun happy?
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Really, I thought it was illegal for anyone to use except by Air Marshall's? Last thing you want on a plane is for a bullet to pierce the fuselage.
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At 12 years old I knew it was not the done thing to brandish a fake gun in public. I blame the parents.
We've already established that the child had put away the weapon and wasn't threatening anyone when the police turned up so why not just approach him and ask him to hand it over, not point guns at him and start screaming. Also when he's drawn the weapon wait to see what he does then before firing. He's a child who more likely to be scared crapless than want to point and shoot.
Do try and keep up.
And you don't live in a country where it would be assumed it was real.
Its quite amazing how people can apply our UK standards to the US or say that the cops should have calmly shot him in the leg or waiting until he had either pulled the gun out and shot someone or thrown it on the ground.
What happens when he pulls the gun out of his trousers and suddenly sprints away whilst firing at the cops. Suddenly the police are getting shot at and are trying to shoot a moving target. Now the police and bystanders are in a huge amount of danger.
Its a shame that this happened but you weigh up the situation and act in the safest manner. He is 12 and threatening people with a gun in a country with a big gun problem and many instances of youngsters killing. He has been brought up in this country and would know to obey the police. He may have panicked but the police did the right thing based on the situation in my view.
How long exactly do you think it takes to take a gun from your waistband, point it at someone and pull the trigger?
How long exactly do you think it takes to take a gun from your waistband, point it at someone and pull the trigger?
Longer than it takes an American policeman to shoot someone.
With the both of you on this.
I feel sorry for both the kid and the officer involved.
How was the kid able to get a hold of this weapon? Why wasnt he in doors playing GTA?
Questions need to be answered!
I honestly give up with you. Me keep up? You're the one with moronic ideas.
There is a protocol in place for these things. It applies to every situation, whether the gun holder is 12, 30,52 or 159. Male, female, trans, unsure. Black, white, asian, whatever. That is how protocols work. You can't change them, especially on something so vague as an age. Just because he is 12 doesn't mean is is any less capable of killing or causing harm.
The police followed protocol by the book. The outcome is unfortunate. All he had to do is put his hands in the air.
Or rewind a bit and decide not to take a replica firearm (that was capable of firing pellets) to school. Or brandish it in public.
Many failings on his part lead to his death.
They've released his name and picture. That kid could be 12 or 15.
There's also a picture of the replica firearm he had, it looks like a real firearm. In a country where school shootings are too common I can understand their decision to shoot.
I probably get a few days a year on the range with a pistol, and I can draw a pistol and shoot in less than a second; I also have to be sure I'm aiming properly before I pull the trigger.
It's ridiculous to think he wasn't a potential threat.
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There's also a picture of the replica firearm he had, it looks like a real firearm. In a country where school shootings are too common I can understand their decision to shoot.
I probably get a few days a year on the range with a pistol, and I can draw a pistol and shoot in less than a second; I also have to be sure I'm aiming properly before I pull the trigger.
It's ridiculous to think he wasn't a potential threat.
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More insults, they really do add weight to your arguement.
From the guy who told someone to stick their rolleyes up their arse. That's hilarious.
Hard to be a 100% certain but I would say justified if the police asked him to raise his hands and he goes to grab the gun. Even if it is mentioned it could be fake there is no one the policeman should have to take that risk with his own life.
Obviously the hard bit is if the child was just to young and naive to follow instructions and went to show that the gun was a fake or grabbing it to drop on the floor. Or if he was threatening other kids he may of done the same to police think he could just be all like "LoL, its just a toy
DDD".
Obviously the hard bit is if the child was just to young and naive to follow instructions and went to show that the gun was a fake or grabbing it to drop on the floor. Or if he was threatening other kids he may of done the same to police think he could just be all like "LoL, its just a toy
DDD".Well, since you seem to be incapable of (or more likely unwilling to since it destroys your argument) answer that, I'll answer for you.
Less than a second.
In the time for the police officer to pull out his gun, aim and fire, the kid could have fired off 2-3 shots. He wouldn't have had a chance to aim, but he still could have easily fired in the general direction of either the officers or some bystanders, possibly hitting and killing one or more of them. Is that a justifiable risk?
I don't need any more weight. But if it adds more then I'll take it I guess...
I can spin this a million ways, and have done. You never answered my broken down version.
You are a cop. You attend this scenario where someone has a gun.
There is a 50/50 chance (these were your odds) this person will shoot at you/ a colleague / a bystander.
Do you
a) shoot the person and eliminate the threat.
b) don't shoot (but its a flip of a coin that he shoots someone)
In reply to purposely condecending emote, yeah. I'm not the one bandying around words like moronic, stupid etc to someone who doesn't argee with me.
Next.
I'd wager the cops approached this boy with their weapons drawn and aimed.
All of this arguing about 'how long it takes to draw', 'could have fired off 2 or 3 shots' is just semantics.
A better question to ask (if you want to argue a point worth investigating) would be how long would it take you to draw and aim a gun compared to how long it takes to pull the trigger of a weapon that is already aimed at you?
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