*** The Official Destiny Thread (now includes 2.0 and TTK) ***

krisboats said:
The large text and underlining wasn't for you... more everyone else who seems to be missing a few bits of info before making opinions.

As to your bit in bold, I haven't ignored it. Check my previous posts and you'll see i completely get whats happening and what it means, which is why i don't feel butthurt in the slightest about "wasting my time". The extra benefit is you can upgrade your gun to make it stronger, that's pretty obvious. All it takes is some glimmer, some shards and sacrificing the weapon perks for the 30 mins-an hour it takes to smash out a few bounties and put a telemetry pack on.

What i've been saying all along is that the weapon perks unlock pretty damn fast. Up until now the slowest part has been material farming, not getting XP. So what if you have to go without 2 perks while you're upgrading a gun? It's insane to be complaining about that so much, especially as the people complaining are the ones with "soooooo many exotics upgraded already". If you have soooo many use the others while you upgrade the ones you like the most. It's just children feeling butthurt that their collection of maxed weapons now isn't the best anymore and it will take a while before it is.
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It doesn't even need shards anymore.

All you need is resources that you can purchase for vanguard marks, and glimmer. Both glimmer and vanguard marks can be farmed in lots of different and fun ways. You can farm public events, you can run tiger strikes, you can get marks by doing the nightfall and the weekly heroic. You can get glimmer by doing missions or by picking your favourite ultra spawn point. After that you need two exotic shards, obtainable for Xur for 14 strange coins. No problem getting that on one character in a week.

Its not going to be as nearly hard this time round, and as already pointed out the base damage is higher than even the maxed out old version, the only thing you lose out on is perks.

Its going to be relatively easy.

Greboth said:
Game websites are blocked at work so I may have missed an update but I thought it was confirmed the new vanguard armour would have higher defense than the current set but would still max at 27 light.
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Nobodys quite sure yet, but getting to 30 post crota's end is going to be easy as its just going to be another level now and you'll just be able to buy 30 light armor. Its only getting to 32 that will leave you at the whim of the RNG gods.
 
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Robi said:
I don't get the issue with the upgrade path proposed by Bungie? As Crota's End NM and other content is level 30, weapons will be perfectly fine - exactly how you currently use them in level 30 vanilla content. Anything above level 30 will suffer damage penalties, therefore you either upgrade your current exotics or procure new exotic/legendary weapons.

If you want to quickly upgrade your legacy exotics, simple -

1. Complete 10 x 5k bounties but don't hand in;
2. Active appropriate telemetry and hand in said bounties when you reset your exotics.

Bungie provided us with two options, both viable.
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Yeah it does seem that for the new raid our current weapon setup with new higher end armour to ensure 30+ is going to be more than fine - I guess people are looking long term to the hard raid but tbh, unlike VoG, that seems to be a level 32 only raid because of the higher level enemies - it really does mean this time around the hard raid is much truer end-game content.

Im more than happy to stay on the normal raid if the ability to achieve the raid set to get to level 32 is as theyve said easier to achieve as the RNG has been loaded to do so...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
krisboats said:
As to your bit in bold, I haven't ignored it. Check my previous posts and you'll see i completely get whats happening and what it means, which is why i don't feel butthurt in the slightest about "wasting my time". The extra benefit is you can upgrade your gun to make it stronger, that's pretty obvious. All it takes is some glimmer, some shards and sacrificing the weapon perks for the 30 mins-an hour it takes to smash out a few bounties and put a telemetry pack on.

What i've been saying all along is that the weapon perks unlock pretty damn fast. Up until now the slowest part has been material farming, not getting XP. So what if you have to go without 2 perks while you're upgrading a gun? It's insane to be complaining about that so much, especially as the people complaining are the ones with "soooooo many exotics upgraded already". If you have soooo many use the others while you upgrade the ones you like the most. It's just children feeling butthurt that their collection of maxed weapons now isn't the best anymore and it will take a while before it is.
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I think what you fail to consider is if its ok this time around imagine having to go through this all again when the next expansion comes out - Im happy to unlock all my stuff again but if this happens again I really cant see how this makes me more interested in playing the game (putting any XP into anything is ultimately transient and only useful while that expansion is the top-tier) - its not far off making these current exotics completely useless as the only real difference is youve already won the RNG draw to get the unlocked newer more powerful version.

So yes it could have been worse but there could have been far better ways to move to newer raid/exotic/legendaries sets while still keeping existing sets useful and potentially upgradable. I can see why people that havent bothered to fully upgrade Exotics are ok with this because magically theyll get 300 attack weapons without bothering to do anything - its really only people that put the effort/time into the game that seem to have been giving a rawer deal...

For me, how slowly an exotic unlocks and the fact you can only have one in hand is the overriding factor in how quickly I can get stuff upgraded again - the actual resources arent a factor at all, before the patch and now afterwards its laughable beyond glimmer caps...

EDIT: Sorry ended up being a new post instead of an edit!

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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They should have made the upgrades skill based rather than grind based. Precision shots, achieve X% accuracy over the last 100 shots etc.

That is a way more fun way of doing things than derp exp.
 
ps3ud0 said:
I think what you fail to consider is if its ok this time around imagine having to go through this all again when the next expansion comes out - Im happy to unlock all my stuff again but if this happens again I really cant see how this makes me more interested in playing the game (putting any XP into anything is ultimately transient and only useful while that expansion is the top-tier) - its not far off making these current exotics completely useless as the only real difference is youve already won the RNG draw to get the unlocked newer more powerful version.

So yes it could have been worse but there could have been far better ways to move to newer raid/exotic/legendaries sets while still keeping existing sets useful and potentially upgradable. I can see why people that havent bothered to fully upgrade Exotics are ok with this because magically theyll get 300 attack weapons without bothering to do anything - its really only people that put the effort/time into the game that seem to have been giving a rawer deal...

For me, how slowly an exotic unlocks and the fact you can only have one in hand is the overriding factor in how quickly I can get stuff upgraded again - the actual resources arent a factor at all, before the patch and now afterwards its laughable beyond glimmer caps...

EDIT: Sorry ended up being a new post instead of an edit!

ps3ud0 :cool:
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I doubt they'll do it again exactly the same, I'm sure they've seen the posts all over the internet and they do listen.

I did like your idea of if you're someone who has invested the time into getting an exotic to the full 300 attack having a portion of that carry into the new weapon, but the fact they'll be easier to level now makes up for it - for me anyway.

I wish I bought more telemetry packs now!
 
Im sure theyll tune it next time, I jsut think peoples position however they interpret the changes are valid and I had hoped Bungie could have pleased all, which obviously is usually impossible.

As Kre* ;) said theres way to make grind fun - it doesnt have to be arbitary and ultimately doesnt have to be elitist either regards the challenges/hoops you have to jump

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
I'm pretty peeved at this new update - they've changed more weapons than they care to mention. The Purifier VII fusion rifle used to mow down ANY shield placed in front of it - now it doesn't do anything to shields! - destroyed my favourite gun :(

On another note - I won an exotic weapon today grinding strikes - got another monte carlo LOL! Thats my first exotic shard right there :)
 
Fr0dders said:
It doesn't even need shards anymore.
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Exotic shards are still shards ;)

zoomee said:
I'm pretty peeved at this new update - they've changed more weapons than they care to mention. The Purifier VII fusion rifle used to mow down ANY shield placed in front of it - now it doesn't do anything to shields! - destroyed my favourite gun :(

On another note - I won an exotic weapon today grinding strikes - got another monte carlo LOL! Thats my first exotic shard right there :)
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If you already have one and you like it... save it and upgrade the new one while using the old perkyfull one in missions etc ;)

ps3ud0 said:
I think what you fail to consider is if its ok this time around imagine having to go through this all again when the next expansion comes out - Im happy to unlock all my stuff again but if this happens again I really cant see how this makes me more interested in playing the game (putting any XP into anything is ultimately transient and only useful while that expansion is the top-tier) - its not far off making these current exotics completely useless as the only real difference is youve already won the RNG draw to get the unlocked newer more powerful version.

So yes it could have been worse but there could have been far better ways to move to newer raid/exotic/legendaries sets while still keeping existing sets useful and potentially upgradable. I can see why people that havent bothered to fully upgrade Exotics are ok with this because magically theyll get 300 attack weapons without bothering to do anything - its really only people that put the effort/time into the game that seem to have been giving a rawer deal...

For me, how slowly an exotic unlocks and the fact you can only have one in hand is the overriding factor in how quickly I can get stuff upgraded again - the actual resources arent a factor at all, before the patch and now afterwards its laughable beyond glimmer caps...

EDIT: Sorry ended up being a new post instead of an edit!

ps3ud0 :cool:
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I've not failed to consider anything. I've been trying to look at this from every angle and the genuine truth to it is we're STILL making assumptions on what it's going to be like. Sure there's a bunch of people up in arms about their collections of max'd weapons not being the best anymore but for all the moaning it might work okay, we don't know yet. There's nothing until january that will force you to upgrade any of the guns, i know people will do it straight away, but you don't HAVE to. Which means theres at least 4 weeks of casually doing a few of the exotics ready for the hard raid... which at the end of the day you'll only be taking 1-5 exotics along with you anyway due to the 1 equip limit.

Exotics don't unlock slowly, i did my gjallahorn (got it this nightfall on tuesday afternoon and it was maxed out yesterday lunchtime ready for hard raid last night) with 10 bounties and it unlocked the entire first tree and moved onto beginning the second. 20 bounties and you've got your perks back. It's not slow, that's two characters and an afternoon or 2 days taking it relaxed. Everything else after those 20 bounties will be an improvement.

EDIT: At the end of the day it isn't like this is the only game to do something like this. Prestige mode in COD resets all your guns back to level 1, losing everything. Borderlands hardcore mode and extra weapon levels etc resets THE ENTIRE CAMPAIGN, side missions and everything. By comparison, this is a single gun at a time and it's completely voluntary.
 
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Honestly I think you are trying to somehow paint that doing multiple bounties per character per day is a normal and fun thing to do day in and day out - thats signficant time thats effectively already been put in by people prior to the DLC and as many have put here most havent bothered to attempt to upgrade all their exotics in the months the game has been out so why would they want to do it again? It doesnt strike me as a positive - now somehow its going to be quick and easy to do it by the end of year (we still have no qualification how quick in comparison this is, considering Bungie have been very mean in the past in how effective perk bonuses are).

Bungie could have made it worse, but not by much in reality. Repeating the same grind isnt how you sell DLC, Ive paid for content not an arbitary way to extend grind (grind was fine when the game was new, the DLC just doesnt contain enough unique content to repeat that pretty much all again) - Ive said it before but Bungie is very shortsighted in how they are building these mechanisms and their actual benefits/issues - people seem to play this game in spite of them rather than because these things are enjoyable.

I agree we need to know further details - its terrible timing between releasing a patch that enticed people to finish off upgrading exotics and then realising that maybe it wasnt such a prudent use of materials long-term if they want to get the newer versions of said exotics. And yes it is voluntary we know that...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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R0B75 said:
They are allowing current exotics to be upgraded to higher power versions (320) via a trade-in option and I'm happy with this. Current legendary weapons however cannot be further upgraded, which is my issue. You will have to buy or obtain via drops new higher powered legendary weapons and upgrade them from scratch. This is a bit of a kick in the nuts to be honest. Waste of effort leveling up my current weapons as by expansion 2 they will be useless.
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I picked up on this from the posts above after I posted. I was reading through the thread before I posted but gave up when I got to the girls bickering and swinging hand bags :p
 
ps3ud0 said:
Honestly I think you are trying to somehow paint that doing multiple bounties per character per day is a normal and fun thing to do day in and day out - thats signficant time thats effectively already been put in by people prior to the DLC and as many have put here most havent bothered to attempt to upgrade all their exotics in the months the game has been out so why would they want to do it again? It doesnt strike me as a positive - now somehow its going to be quick and easy to do it by the end of year (we still have no qualification how quick in comparison this is, considering Bungie have been very mean in the past in how effective perk bonuses are).

Bungie could have made it worse, but not by much in reality. Repeating the same grind isnt how you sell DLC, Ive paid for content not an arbitary way to extend grind (grind was fine when the game was new, the DLC just doesnt contain enough unique content to repeat that pretty much all again) - Ive said it before but Bungie is very shortsighted in how they are building these mechanisms and their actual benefits/issues - people seem to play this game in spite of them rather than because these things are enjoyable.

I agree we need to know further details - its terrible timing between releasing a patch that enticed people to finish off upgrading exotics and then realising that maybe it wasnt such a prudent use of materials long-term if they want to get the newer versions of said exotics. And yes it is voluntary we know that...

ps3ud0 :cool:
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I'm not trying to paint it in any way, i don't care whether people like it or not. Compared to other games, its pretty easy to level it up and get your weapons maxed out. I just don't agree with people crying out that this is terrible, before it's even been released, fully confirmed/explained or even given chance to see if the benefits are worth it.

Also, there are new bounties coming for vanguard/crucible and eris as well i believe.
 
Yeah people are taking this from different perspectives, Im quite tentative considering how well Bungie have served us in the past with Destiny updates (taken far more than they have given and pretty much lied about bugs that they think were by design) so forced to err on the side of caution. Just look at the surprise when the last patch dropped...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
Its probably because of the serious lack of content with the DLC they are introducing the 're-level your weapon' tactic. Something else to do I guess.

Personally I don't like it one bit - I spent a lot of time getting these exotics to where they are now and having to grind through it all again - well - here's hoping the new Uncharted or MGS is out by then because I'm getting bored with this game. When's the second DLC due?

Only thing keeping me going is that there is still an active community in it. It's usually the people that make a MP game for me - and this community has been great. Met a lot of people who I now consider friends and would love to carry on gaming with, just a shame the game is becoming boring same old same.
 
ps3ud0 said:
Yeah people are taking this from different perspectives, Im quite tentative considering how well Bungie have served us in the past with Destiny updates (taken far more than they have given and pretty much lied about bugs that they think were by design) so forced to err on the side of caution. Just look at the surprise when the last patch dropped...

ps3ud0 :cool:
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Yeah i know, at least you sony lot get extra levels to grind on! :p
 
zoomee said:
Its probably because of the serious lack of content with the DLC they are introducing the 're-level your weapon' tactic. Something else to do I guess.

Personally I don't like it one bit - I spent a lot of time getting these exotics to where they are now and having to grind through it all again - well - here's hoping the new Uncharted or MGS is out by then because I'm getting bored with this game. When's the second DLC due?

Only thing keeping me going is that there is still an active community in it. It's usually the people that make a MP game for me - and this community has been great. Met a lot of people who I now consider friends and would love to carry on gaming with, just a shame the game is becoming boring same old same.
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But herp derp it's clearly not a problem for anyone.
 
Happy Xur day (Or not)

Helm of inmost light - titan
Young ahamkaras spine - hunter
Light beyond nemesis - warlock
Plan C
And he has heavy ammo synth back
 
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