Will UKIP win its first seat in parliament tonight?
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Nobody knows what will happen if we leave the EU. Well apart from it won't do our economy any good, but aparently anti-EU folks can't see that and the frothing-at-the-mouth types don't care as long as "Dem immigrants get gone"
Not hypocritical, there's been plenty of studies showing that migration isn't the issue politicians are trying to make it into. No need for me to repeat them. My daughter-in-law provides me with an experience that in my mind shows how wrong UKIP and the anti-immigration bunch are.
Yeah, it ain't perfect. I was posting on the run. Still we are better in than out. Far better.
No but what people say normally shows what they actually think and UKIP have been caught numerous times saying really dumb things. More worryingly their actual policies are terrible, but Kippers seemingly aren't worried about the removal of workers rights, women's rights and so on...
There is a lot wrong with the EU, and there is quite a lot wrong with immigration.
My core belief though is that we are better in the EU because I do not trust any British government to "do right" by the British people. I also believe that the benefits outweigh the disadvantages, and we should stay.
The EU however does need reform.
Have school places and capacity in the NHS increased proportionally with immigration?
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Also has one ball like some infamous person from history who was protecting the German way of life
Also has one ball like some infamous person from history who was protecting the German way of life
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I believe so, yes.
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Neither the EU or immigration is perfect, for sure. But I believe we are much better in the EU that out. Economically as well as the EU keeping our own government in check.
Nope, and it hasn't kept inline with the growth experienced of 'indigenous' growth either. Same with housing. Successive government screw ups and mismanagement take care of that. Government doesn't need the help of migrants to screw up.
Nope, and it hasn't kept inline with the growth experienced of 'indigenous' growth either. Same with housing. Successive government screw ups and mismanagement take care of that. Government doesn't need the help of migrants to screw up.
So it would be fair to say that while immigration is not the cause of most problems in this country it does compound some of the issues.
Yes, in the same way as the proverbial straw on the equally proverbial camel's back. Which is why removing the straw leaves the camel still pretty much ****ed.
Again: blaming every problem in the country in immigrants is simple scapegoating. It's not a new tactic (the ancient Sumerians passed laws banning immigrants from certain areas of their territory, to appease local opinion), but it's a great way of getting votes for fringe parties. Parties that might have to actual govern usually have a better idea of what will and won't work, but still have to lie to the public to keep up with the fringe lunacy. Even if the best plans of UKIP to kick out everyone too far down the Dulux chart came to fruition, pretty much every effect on the country would be negative: rising prices (what do you think the primary result of cheap labour is?), more outsourcing to other countries (if you can't get cheap labour in the UK, use cheap labour elsewhere) and a half-empty NHS. Oh, and the Care system for old people would pretty much disappear.
No, because immigrants are boosting the GDP providing more resources to develop housing, schools, hospitals and infrastructure. they also help provide workers for the shortfall ob laborers in the construction industry, as well as skilled worked for hospitals and schools.
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But what about if I just don't like foreigners but am too spineless or lacking in self-awareness to just state this? What do I do then? Don't you dare take away my need to scapegoat to mask over my ignorance and bigotry.
I should have added to that, dealing with immigration is isolation is pointless, we also need to address the skills shortage in this country.
We need a more homogeneous set of policies, not policies that tackle with immigration, jobs, education, NHS as separate entities.
We need a more homogeneous set of policies, not policies that tackle with immigration, jobs, education, NHS as separate entities.
What is the problem with the current immigration system?
Total immigration rates are at very low levels, lower than most western countries including European countries like Norway And Switzerland that aren't in the EU.
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Which is the only party that has former BNP councillors currently serving as elected officials for it?
Labour
Anyone who voted for UKIP is racist?
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Maybe, however without said immigrants we'd struggle to staff the NHS, provide cleaners for schools and so on, and thus have different problems. The chronic underinvestment is the real issue, brilliantly being ignored as all the parties try to out UKIP each other.
The immigration system? What do you mean? People are free to move across the EU, so that's the 'system' there, so I can only assume you mean non-EU migration? An area that is already controlled.