Fatties gonna fat....

I've only skimmed through, but why can't they work? I'm not saying they're an acceptable weight or anything, but I know people that size who work full time with absolutely no issue
 
AHarvey said:
I am a strong believer that schools should be teaching life lessons to kids from early ages.

We feed the mind with maths, science and history but very little on nutrition, healthy eating, exercise, mortgages, debts, taxes, politics, etc.
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I totally agree and mention this many times. Children are taught about nutrition from an early age at school now. However, the problem is this is a bad thing because children are not actually capable at early ages of really understanding the differences and just get confused. Children and adults require very different diets and whilst adults need to restrict their fat intake children do not (unless of course they are completely inactive in which case it's the lack of exercise that is the problem). So you end up teaching them the wrong thing. There is a body of good evidence to demonstrate a good correlation between early nutrition teaching and eating disorders. Children are not just small adults and you can't treat them as such.
 
Out of interest who in this thread is or was overweight? I was 16st and at 5-11 that was rather fat but I lost over 3 stone. I realised that I didn't do enough exercise and my diet was awful. I suppose I feel the same way as people who quit smoking do 'If I can do it, why can't everyone else?'
 
I have two "disappoint":
1. How the national bodies can effectively bend to adapt to non logical situations. Ie person gets fat on their own accord, therefore cannot work so government body bends to support when they should be providing a harder stance for them to get back to normal fat level.
More hard line.. sometimes people need to be told.

2. How they, themselves, are so selfish to everyone else (this one assumes they're the reason for being in the situation). You work for the good of everyone - regardless if you have a conservative or socialist perspective.

I see no reason why we need to accept a general EU ruling without ensuring it's applicable to the real reason.

The problem is when people get lazy, the government gets voted out if they challenge it..

I'm 14.0 stone and 6'4. Even people of the recommended weight, need to exercise.
 
dowie said:
I do wonder if some sort of food voucher scheme could be introduced in place of a portion of benefits both to deal with the fat people who are so disgustingly fat they need carers and to also deal with the kids who are being sent to schools on empty stomachs. If they can't manage to look after themselves independently then maybe in the extreme cases the state does need to get involved... else it will cost us more in the long term.
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I see 2015 is the year of fat shaming, looking through TV guide there are at least 3-4 TV shows in January alone about how horrible fat people are.

Food vouchers wont work as it forces people to go to shops that will take the vouchers, my local indoor market full of locally sourced produce is FAR cheaper than cheap supermarket crap and they don't have the means to take vouchers.
 
Veg and meat.

I'd buy from a butcher who got his meat from a local farm rather than supermarket sourced pumped full of water and god knows what. Then theres the benefit of cheaper prices and supporting the local community rather than big companies who have record profits year on year who give big fat bonuses to the management.
 
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I've seen a whole load of posts here about these people being fat and that it's their fault. Yes, they've eaten themselves into this size, but we do not criticise people, for example, who do dangerous jobs like asbestos removal and therefore requirement treatment for other illnesses.

These people clearly need help; their issues are not only to do with their weight, but also their mentality. I would put them in the same class as any other mental illness. They have an addiction to food and to eating. We treat drug addicts terribly in this country; they are treated as criminals and not people who are genuinely ill, and this is just another instance of that. These people need help.
 
The problem is people associate fat with lazy that's why people shame us.

Sure there are a lot of fat lazy people just like there are a lot of skinny lazy breeders who have hundreds of kids and sponge of the state.

It's a quick and easy way of feeling better about yourself and/or superior to shame people who are different so it distracts from their own crappy life.
 
dirtychinchilla said:
I've seen a whole load of posts here about these people being fat and that it's their fault. Yes, they've eaten themselves into this size, but we do not criticise people, for example, who do dangerous jobs like asbestos removal and therefore requirement treatment for other illnesses.

These people clearly need help; their issues are not only to do with their weight, but also their mentality. I would put them in the same class as any other mental illness. They have an addiction to food and to eating. We treat drug addicts terribly in this country; they are treated as criminals and not people who are genuinely ill, and this is just another instance of that. These people need help.
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They aren't victims worthy of our compassion, they are fat pigs deserving of our contempt.
 
If people present with lung problems due to asbestos we don't give them 20 grand and say knock yourself out and go an inhale some more dust though do we. I don't think people are saying these people are mentally well people are objecting to the fact society is paying for them to get in this state.
 
Thompson_NCL said:
They aren't victims worthy of our compassion, they are fat pigs deserving of our contempt.
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Some maybe, all .... no.

Those who are worthy of contempt are people like yourself who jump on the bandwagon of having a subset of people who you can make fun of and talk down too on a forum such as this when doing the same about other groups would be seen as being unacceptable.
 
TheLegendOfMart said:
Why?

I am overweight and the last time I was in hospital was when I was 14 to have my tonsils out, haven't used my GP in a long while and I work full time.

So I deserve your contempt because I weigh more than you?
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We're not talking about people who are overweight, we're talking about people who are fat. There is, at least in my view, a difference. But yes, if you look like the Michelin man, you deserve my contempt. I'm not saying I am some Ubermensch myself, but I make an effort to avoid generating my own mavity field.
 
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What a wonderful self-perpetuating cycle we have of insults leading to low self-esteem leading to weight increase leading to more insults.
 
platypus said:
It's more about changing the attitude towards food, get rid of 24/7 availability of foods that leads to pretty generic, bland and horrible vegetables. Educate people how to grow food and and how to cook, how to actually care for themselves.
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I agree completely. I grow quite a bit of our own food, but only have a small garden, so certainly would not be able to live off it. The problem is, it takes effort, and these sort of people are certainly not going to make that effort when they can buy a £1 ready meal from a supermarket and be eating it 5 minutes later.
Rather than people just saying 'benefit scroungers! Burn them!' as is usual here, I think more should be done to discourage cheap crappy food being made, but, you know, profit...
I just bought a few things today, some salad, artisan bread, blue cheese, that will last me a couple of meals. For what that cost I could have bought quite a lot of fat laden cheap crap that would have lasted me several days.
 
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