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Will21st said:
Tolerate the intolerable,I see... no wonder you're trying to have an argument,my 'apologist' post must have stung quite a bit...

oh well,if the shoe fits. :p
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Don't want to descend into an argument - sorry if it came over that way. I was genuinely looking for a answer from you as to how we would put in place what you proposed. Your post did not sting - I am genuinely curious for a solution to this problem to which I see none.

As mentioned these people are inciting hatred of Islam amongst the west. We have to be the better people here and deal with the people who perpetrate these crimes, not a collective of people who are innocent. I thought this much would be obvious. Your initial short post seemed to suggest otherwise.
 
jkb said:
I stay out of religious/islam threads usually but this is terrible, really awful. When religion = power then people will try to protect that power and fight against anyone who threatens it. The catholic church were no better hundreds of years ago. However whilst Europe finally moved away from this that hasn't happened in the Islamic world. They obviously see the western way of freedom of speech, freedom of press and freely elected governments as a threat to their power so are inevitably going to fight against it.
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I was going to post something similar but couldn't be bothered. Extremists gonna extreme and all that. No different to extremist christianity, the christian world as such just managed to move past the extreme a little sooner, except the abuse of power still continues to this day doesn't it. I don't really give a damn what religion it is, its extremism thats to blame. Hard to see quite how the Islamic countries can become more secular, but stranger things have happened.
 
sityeuropa said:
There will be a tipping point. Religions are bad at the core and it needs to be addressed. Why should we accept values that are so out of date with society today. The values should be rightfully condemned publicly an constantly. What we think of certain beliefs and values should not be hidden away just because its religion.
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My usual comment is that all religions are evil. They were tools to control the masses, make sure they thought and behaved as the leaders wanted before we had TV and internet to do it
 
Looks like they managed to escape but in that video posted above it doesn't seem they are in much of a hurry?
 
“Allahu Akbar”

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RaMDOM said:
Don't want to descend into an argument - sorry if it came over that way. I was genuinely looking for a answer from you as to how we would put in place what you proposed. Your post did not sting - I am genuinely curious for a solution to this problem to which I see none.

As mentioned these people are inciting hatred of Islam amongst the west. We have to be the better people here and deal with the people who perpetrate these crimes, not a collective of people who are innocent. I thought this much would be obvious. Your initial short post seemed to suggest otherwise.
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well,maybe that's where we differ... Islam is more akin to a political ideology than just a religion.It permeates all areas of Life and there seems to be no clear-cut distinction between state and religion,which makes sense if my interpretation of what Islam is,is correct.
It's time to stand up for our values and our belief and defend them against these intolerable attacks, which are being justified by the word of Mohammed. Another problem I see is the word of Mohammed is taken at face-value and not interpreted as it should be, imo.
No doubt the many religious schools in the third world play a part where the quran is taught in arabic and never translated. Blind faith and obedience.

many problems inherent that will be tough to overcome without major reform,and ultimately the realisation that the quran is not the word of god and must be interpreted AND that state and religion must be apart.

so,that's a big task right there.
 
Thompson_NCL said:
Islam has a lot of fantatics. From Thailand to Nigeria, France and the US, all we see is Islam butchering innocent people.

Its not a religion of peace, its a religion of violence.
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Yes it does, same as other religions but you don't hear about it as the media picks on Islam. Notice how all the articles quickly refer to the picture of the prophet they made even though we don't know who the killers were?

Same when white people in Yorkshire were raping little girls there was no mass media about it, but everyone knows about the Rochdale Grooming case.

TheLegendOfMart said:
I'm out, this thread is like a game of spot the intolerant racist.
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indeed it is
 
Will21st said:
well,maybe that's where we differ... Islam is more akin to a political ideology than just a religion.It permeates all areas of Life and there seems to be no clear-cut distinction between state and religion,which makes sense if my interpretation of what Islam is,is correct.
It's time to stand up for our values and our belief and defend them against these intolerable attacks, which are being justified by the word of Mohammed. Another problem I see is the word of Mohammed is taken at face-value and not interpreted as it should be, imo.
No doubt the many religious schools in the third world play a part where the quran is taught in arabic and never translated. Blind faith and obedience.

many problems inherent that will be tough to overcome without major reform,and ultimately the realisation that the quran is not the word of god and must be interpreted AND that state and religion must be apart.

so,that's a big task right there.
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And an almost impossible one. At least in the world as it is today.
 
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