Shooting at French Satirical Magazine

asim18 · 9 Jan 2015 at 02:30

pioneer2000 said:
It's actually pretty pathetic that you throw around "racist" like it's a get out of jail card.

I clearly have not stated that it is ONLY skin colour.

Multi-culturalism has not and will not ever work, as clearly evidenced by the trouble that Islam is causing in Western societies.

Racism isn't "only skin colour" either.

pioneer2000 · 9 Jan 2015 at 02:31

Mynight said:
Build a prayer room? Also I'm unsure where they've said we have to eat halal.

Halal tends to be cheaper to source and it expands a possible client base so it's a win win for buisnesses.

You'll struggle to visit any major UK shopping center and not find one.

Halal doesn't benefit me. I don't want my food prayed at, I don't save money because any saving in margin goes straight to the business. So once again, multiculturalism is simply lining the pockets of some fat cats at my detriment.

Try enforcing non-halal food in a Muslim country and you're likely to get attacked, yet i'm supposed to be understanding?

pioneer2000 · 9 Jan 2015 at 02:32

setter said:
Regarding the nazi flag part, it's a little ironic that far right neo nazi groups in germany are campaigning against islamic extremism the last few weeks. They must have forgot that their nazi fore fathers were allied with islamic extremists in ww2. Even going to the point of raising a muslim waffen ss division under the spiritual leadeship of the grand mufti of jerusalem. A unit that went on mass killing sprees in yugoslavia.

Hang on, I thought we couldn't hold an entire people responsible for the actions of a smaller group. :rolleyes:

asim18 · 9 Jan 2015 at 02:35

pioneer2000 said:
Try enforcing non-halal food in a Muslim country and you're likely to get attacked, yet i'm supposed to be understanding?

Erm what? You can go to Pakistan, buy an animal, take it to your mansion, slaughter it and eat it however you want.

You wont get attacked unless you're trying to get attacked, which it seems you are?

There's nothing warranting an attack on a person going to a shopping centre to find a meat he wants to eat, buying it and then eating it.

Mynight · 9 Jan 2015 at 02:35

I didn't know there was prayer rooms at shopping centers. News to me.

On the flip side how does praying at food negatively affect you? It doesn't change the taste afaik.

While what you say is correct you most likely wouldn't be able to do business like that in a Muslim country are we not supposed to be more liberal and further culturally evolved than certain other countries. By enforcing non halal meat were essentially doing the same as them. Not so evolved then.

setter · 9 Jan 2015 at 02:39

pioneer2000 said:
Hang on, I thought we couldn't hold an entire people responsible for the actions of a smaller group.

No, an entire group/religion/populace cant be held responsible for the actions of a few. I was merely pointing out the irony of the campaign in germany by far right members. The groups that alligned themselves with nazi germany wernt represetitive of all muslims world wide. In their case i can only summise that they seen nazi germany as a means to an end, (eradication of jews). Friend today, enemy tomorrow scenario.

ak22 · 9 Jan 2015 at 02:39

pioneer2000 said:
1) There would be at least 12 more people alive in France if these "narrow minded racists muppets" were listened to. That sounds like a win to me.

I didn't know the killers were Pakistani?

pioneer2000 said:
2) England is an island last time I checked. Hasn't stopped every bugger pouring over here to set up camp and expect everyone else to change their ways to keep them happy.

Thats why I said go buy yourself and island, you and racists idiots and live in peace

pioneer2000 said:
3) Yes we are all humans, so why do Muslims etc have such a burning desire to shove it down everyone's throats that they're so different? "Can't eat that, you all have to eat Halal from now on", "can't shop there, you need to build us a prayer room as we can't possibly accept that we're not in a Muslim country and wait until we're home". Jesus wept! Literally!

No where in Quarn does it condone the acts of these terrorist in France.

So you want to kick out Muslims to make England safer?

What next kick out all the Catholics to stop Pedophilia? Same narrow minded way of thinking isn't it blame a whole religion because of actions of people? even though that religion does not condone that crimes committed.

ak22 · 9 Jan 2015 at 02:49

setter said:
No, an entire group/religion/populace cant be held responsible for the actions of a few. I was merely pointing out the irony of the campaign in germany by far right members. The groups that alligned themselves with nazi germany wernt represetitive of all muslims world wide. In their case i can only summise that they seen nazi germany as a means to an end, (eradication of jews). Friend today, enemy tomorrow scenario.

Yea history keep repeating itself the USA created Al qaeda to fight the soviets.

Edit: I delted the last part of my post as I missread your post, time for me to go bed lol

Rroff · 9 Jan 2015 at 02:59

I think you misunderstand that Winston Churchill quote a little also he certainly had little love for Muslims.

mcast · 9 Jan 2015 at 04:26

One of my great grand parents was a penniless Italian immigrant who came to the UK seeking a better life. I did some research and it seems he was quite willing to integrate into society here, he even understood the reasons why he was sent to an internment camp in WW2. He did not have any resentment and seemed to very much enjoy integrating into British society.

I just don't see the same viewpoint from UK muslims, it's as if most dislike our society and are unwilling to change. Can you imagine how many fatwas, beheadings and bombings there would be if you put a single UK muslim in an internment camp during the gulf war.

My friend lives in a nice area of Glasgow which has seen many local schools being converted to muslim only and quite a significant portion of land used for mosques. The majority wear burkas and men wear traditional pakistani clothes. Why on earth come to Britain if all you're trying to do is create a mini-pakistan, surely the original is better? My great grandfather didn't want a mini-italy he wanted to be british with all the pros and cons.

Arthur Hucksake · 9 Jan 2015 at 05:46

ak22 said:
The country's who have suffed the most form these terrorists are muslim country's who are fighting these groups.

We suffer less because we give in to their demands and are willing to slowly adapt society for their needs. Screw everyone else, don't want to upset these guys.

Eventually a line will be met where we have nothing left to give without fundamentally changing our entire country.

Sweden seems to be getting to this place faster, so if you want an insight then pay attention to what is happening there right now.

The race is to help people adapt and become a part of our society (sort of like the 1st generation immigrants who have) before their demands overcome all else.

Arthur Hucksake · 9 Jan 2015 at 05:52

Hyburnate said:
Just wow. I think a lot of racist brits just forget that the Polish etc are cracking workers and a lot of them do a great deal for our economy, absolutely amazing workers and great people. Had this debate a lot recently that they should simply "stay at home" when really a lot of people who are deemed to be non-brits are children of migrants from decades ago who have paid in to our system all their life. Does my nut in.

They are starting to go home now. Problem is, the companies who paid their wages expect us to live off the same amounts.

The difference was, they were here on a semi-permanent holiday and were willing to share houses with 6 other people. We don't live that way, but are now being forced to.

Economically they have had a good impact, but they have aided in lowering the quality of living for many in some areas. That isn't their fault, it's the exploitation from business.

Good example is that some quiet, almost rural parts of Lincolnshire are now in turmoil. Immigration hasn't just crashed local house prices, it has removed the local work market.

We depend on immigration nowadays because people are too selfish to have children of their own. The real issue is the lack of control and the numbers who arrive here at any given time. It needs to be a fairer system for inhabitants already here and for immigrants who have had to do it the hard and proper way.

Mynight · 9 Jan 2015 at 06:07

People are too selfish to have children? What's selfish about not having kids?

Surely it's more selfish to have many kids you can't afford to give them what they deserve?

Arthur Hucksake · 9 Jan 2015 at 06:10

Mynight said:
People are too selfish to have children? What's selfish about not having kids?

Surely it's more selfish to have many kids you can't afford to give them what they deserve?

Double posted from an edit.. below.

Arthur Hucksake · 9 Jan 2015 at 06:13

Mynight said:
People are too selfish to have children? What's selfish about not having kids?

Surely it's more selfish to have many kids you can't afford to give them what they deserve?

People are too selfish to be responsible and care for another.

Enjoy their lifestyles too much to change.

Could have a long term couple, one wants children and the other doesn't. Usually for reasons like "Saving for a Vegas holiday" or "got my eyes on this new car".

This results in mainly irresponsible people having kids and the streets being lined with Chav scrotes.

The part is about not being able to afford to give them what they deserve is one you hear often, but I don't think they understand the costs involved and how they want to raise them.

The cost of feeding and clothing a baby is what... the price of two nights out a month? And i'm talking the start off at Spoons variety.

Nope.... can't sacrifice the time, too scared, selfish or don't want to change lifestyle.

More often than not, the people who say they don't want kids with concerns of not being able to give them the best start usually make better parents.

Mynight · 9 Jan 2015 at 06:13

That's a fair assessment. The so called more intelligent do tend to reproduce less.

I would imagine it's a bit more than two nights out at spoons a month.

Tefal · 9 Jan 2015 at 06:31

ak22 said:
2. “Do not practice treachery or mutilation.(Al-Muwatta)

The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,
Qur'an 5:33

err so how do you reconcile this little difference?

one says mutilate people (clearly if your hacking someones hands and feet off that is not self defense either) and the other says don't mutilate people.

which is it?

Arthur Hucksake · 9 Jan 2015 at 06:36

Mynight said:
That's a fair assessment. The so called more intelligent do tend to reproduce less.

I would imagine it's a bit more than two nights out at spoons a month.

Surprisingly, it isn't.

A box of Aptamil is £10 a week. Then clothes and what not. £70 a month at most, and the absolute most.

People spend hundreds on strollers and buy designer clothes for their kids, which is absolutely pointless.

The brighter people stick a bit of disposable income in a separate account for them when they get older. The sort of people who would do that, aren't having kids these days.

Efour · 9 Jan 2015 at 07:08

you turned out alright tho Arthur Hucksake didnt ya?

Hitman_Leon · 9 Jan 2015 at 07:23

setter said:
Regarding the nazi flag part, it's a little ironic that far right neo nazi groups in germany are campaigning against islamic extremism the last few weeks. They must have forgot that their nazi fore fathers were allied with islamic extremists in ww2. Even going to the point of raising a muslim waffen ss division under the spiritual leadeship of the grand mufti of jerusalem. A unit that went on mass killing sprees in yugoslavia.

My grandfather was a Nazi of sorts, a real WW2 rifle carrying scumbag (Hungarian officer) who adored Hitler and the Nazi ideals. A truly awful person, as a child I adored him, when I got to an age where I could understand I despised everything he stood for.

I cannot stand bigotry of any kind, these bigots who shot those people are bigots, plain and simple, religion or race mean nothing, there are evil bigots in every race, every religion.