Shooting at French Satirical Magazine

RDM · 13 Jan 2015 at 23:23

Amnesia said:
think i already had this convo with you..
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=27461765&postcount=2731

i feel with only a few or handful of places doing it....its just making targets

Quite possibly, there are about a dozen threads on the same topic and the arguments are going round and round and round.

Obviously the solution then is everyone do it rather than just a few.

Amnesia · 13 Jan 2015 at 23:25

OldCoals said:
Nobody is doing that anyway so I am not sure what your point is.

The point being you are ok to go ahead with the freedom to insult when you know its not your family that are likely to be killed but would you have the same stance if it was your family likely to be targeted by your actions.

Amnesia · 13 Jan 2015 at 23:26

RDM said:
Obviously the solution then is everyone do it rather than just a few.

Honestly i think it would work.

Westyfield2 · 13 Jan 2015 at 23:34

Is the extended print run of this weeks magazine being stocked in the UK at all?

Danthus · 13 Jan 2015 at 23:36

Amnesia said:
The point being you are ok to go ahead with the freedom to insult when you know its not your family that are likely to be killed but would you have the same stance if it was your family likely to be targeted by your actions.

No, hanging a huge cartoon of Muhammad on the front of my house is not the same as a newspaper on display amongst other newspapers.

Danthus · 13 Jan 2015 at 23:36

Westyfield2 said:
Is the extended print run of this weeks magazine being stocked in the UK at all?

Yeah it is.

Amnesia · 13 Jan 2015 at 23:39

OldCoals said:
No, hanging a huge cartoon of Muhammad on the front of my house is not the same as a newspaper on display amongst other newspapers.

The end result is people dying, would you have the same stance if it was your family likely to be killed ?

Danthus · 13 Jan 2015 at 23:42

Amnesia said:
The end result is people dying, would you have the same stance if it was your family likely to be killed ?

It isn't the same and you know it.

Amnesia · 13 Jan 2015 at 23:43

OldCoals said:
It isn't the same and you know it.

it was just a yes/no question, it's fine if you don't want to answer it.

Westyfield2 · 13 Jan 2015 at 23:44

OldCoals said:
Yeah it is.

Any news on which retailers?

Danthus · 13 Jan 2015 at 23:45

Westyfield2 said:
Any news on which retailers?

Menzies are distributing it, WHSmiths I think.

D.P. · 13 Jan 2015 at 23:56

Amnesia said:
So would any of you guys make a massive drawing of Mohammed and hang it across your house putting yourselves and family at risk of attack ?

Or alternatively, would you purposely repeatedly insult millions of people?

If I walked down the high street swearing and insulting people I would expect consequences. It may be my freedom iof speech to insult people, but I could also be charged with abuse.

This doesn't make any of the consequences right. I just think it is plain rude to continuously insult people, however ridicuous I find their opinions.

spudbynight · 13 Jan 2015 at 23:59

D.P. said:
Or alternatively, would you purposely repeatedly insult millions of people?

If I walked down the high street swearing and insulting people I would expect consequences. It may be my freedom iof speech to insult people, but I could also be charged with abuse.

This doesn't make any of the consequences right. I just think it is plain rude to continuously insult people, however ridicuous I find their opinions.

Quite...we have been hearing an awful lot about Liberté recently....not so much about Fraternité.

darreny · 14 Jan 2015 at 00:10

Don't give them a reason to be offended in the first place. I don't veiw the publication as an act of defiance, more an act of provocation

hanluc · 14 Jan 2015 at 00:14

darreny said:
Don't give them a reason to be offended in the first place.

Good idea, lets all convert to Islam.

Will21st · 14 Jan 2015 at 00:38

hanluc said:
Good idea, lets all convert to Islam.

heads could be chopped off in public and the apologists would still be defending this death cult.

Danthus · 14 Jan 2015 at 00:38

darreny said:
Don't give them a reason to be offended in the first place. I don't veiw the publication as an act of defiance, more an act of provocation

Have you actually thought that through?

dowie · 14 Jan 2015 at 00:50

D.P. said:
Or alternatively, would you purposely repeatedly insult millions of people?

If I walked down the high street swearing and insulting people I would expect consequences. It may be my freedom iof speech to insult people, but I could also be charged with abuse.

This doesn't make any of the consequences right. I just think it is plain rude to continuously insult people, however ridicuous I find their opinions.

its a magazine with a tiny circulation

it is more like you said something amongst your friends, someone else heard about it, beat the crap out of you for it, others were outraged by that action and now everyone is waiting for your reaction and everyone wants to know if you're now going to cower away or stick to your view point

dowie · 14 Jan 2015 at 01:28

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/lliana-bird/charlie-hebdo_b_6461030.html

As long time reader and Frenchman, Olivier Tonneau pointed out in his excellent article, The National Front and the Le Pen family were in fact their primary targets above all others. Next came bosses, politicians and the corrupt. Finally they opposed organised religion. ALL organised religion. They didn't hate or abuse or target any one group or religion. They did however mock ALL systems and organisations and individuals of power - from political to religious to everything in between. They were satirists, and all people, systems and organisations should be open to criticism and mockery (so long as it sticks within the laws of the land). They were democratic in their ridicule and satirisation. No one was exempt. To do otherwise would have been the hypocritical. Equal rights also means equal treatment.

why is this so hard for people to understand - why do people believe one group should get special treatment/immunity from satire/criticism because they'll be ultra offended and potentially act violently?

I doubt any of the critics would be fussed by people mocking political figures - but add in a 'god' and a sensitive potentially following and suddenly special status should be given?

scorza · 14 Jan 2015 at 07:30

BBC News this morning interviewed some French Muslims who were condemning the release of the Mohammed cartoon today, at the same time they were doing the Islamic State sign...