Shooting at French Satirical Magazine

DAIR said:
And lets not forget that provoking these crazy people is not a good idea. It was no coincidence that they targeted those journalists.
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It's not a coincidence, but the journalists were working within the laws of their country of residence. It was their choice just is it is to continue and until "The French" decide to change their laws they are entitled to and will continue to satirise whoever they like. Kowtowing to a bunch of radicals is just what they would like the West to do. We might as well roll over and let the Caliphate rule if we are willing to do that for 1 second.
 
CREATIVE!11 said:
Amazing,

I wish someone had the stones to just say with a straight face, well since you like the Islamic state so bad why don't you just move to Syria and be with them?

Ohhhh wait that's right, because the country is a hell hole with a bunch of barbarians running around with their mindsets that come from the dark ages and you'd rather enjoy the comforts the west has to offer because it's free from an oppressive archaic religion, oops I totally forgot....
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...red-further-by-french-solidarity-9976166.html

Article in the Indy about more French Muslims who support the murderers.

The object of their wrath was the new edition of Charlie Hebdo, the first since 12 people were murdered in an attack on the magazine’s office. The cover shows a cartoon of the Prophet Mohamed with the headline: “All is forgiven”. It was carried by some media outlets today.

Forgiveness, however, was in short supply among these young men. “They know what they are doing and they must take the consequences” was the verdict of Ahmed.
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As memorial services took place for some of those who had died in the terror attacks, Najat Vallaud-Belkacem, the Education Minister, held a meeting with teaching officials in response to the many schoolchildren in Muslim areas who had refused to observe a minute’s silence. At a secondary school in Seine-Saint-Denis, more than 80 per cent of the pupils refused to comply, saying the Charlie Hebdo staff had “deserved what they got”. In Lille, a boy threatened to shoot “with a Kalashnikov” a teacher who had asked a class to be quiet during the remembrance.
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DAIR said:
So them attacking those particular journalists was a coincidence?
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It wasn't a coincidence, but if Charlie Hebdo hadn't published the original cartoons of Mohammed then someone else would have been attacked - it's easy to find an excuse to hate.
 
Some of the news sites got some criticism for not showing the front page (Mohammed picture). Its a bit of a farce...Islam really is in the dark ages and needs to grow a thicker skin...who gives a monkeys you are offended..i dont...dont like frredom of expression? Then live in a nice more oppressed country then.
 
scorza said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...red-further-by-french-solidarity-9976166.html

Article in the Indy about more French Muslims who support the murderers.
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Solution is now,

Send them back. They obviously don't give a rats ass about the country they live in or it's ideals. It seems to me they want all the benefits of a western society (Freedom of speech etc) but then want to moan about it.

Integration? LOL

"Some spoke of their admiration for those who had gone to fight jihad abroad"

Again i'm left wondering with this bunch of hypocrites, WHY DON'T YOU MOVE THERE THEN?! nobody is forcing these idiots to move to France.

"The common factor among the young men was not just their antipathy towards the French state and society, but also that none of them were currently in regular employment."

SHOCK HORROR!!!!
 
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Looking to pick up a copy of the magazine and don't mind paying a bit over the odds, looking on ebay things are just ridiculous. Are people actually paying these prices or is it just idiots deliberately messing up auctions..
 
Danny75 said:
To try and help you understand - it's their love for a person that is being trampled upon. The love we have for someone is the very core of a person. Telling them that the person they love was wrong in this or that, respectfully, is a lot easier to swallow than outright disrespect which attacks the very core of their being. Sure, they may still be angry, or argue. But it's a lot easier to swallow when done with respect.

For those 2 or 3 people who decided violence should be the response, there will have been millions who successfully fought against the anger inside them provoked by childish hate-filled grown-ups who should have known better. Nobody without hate mocks their brothers and sisters.

I hear that the magazine will continue publishing grotesque insulting images. I've also heard that the sign of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results. Food for thought?
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Not really. Some people are passionate about politics, should we refrain from mocking politicians because some people are sensitive. The issue here is with some Muslims being over sensitive, wanting special treatment for their beliefs and holding views in conflict with freedom of speech.
 
DAIR said:
Sorry but let us not deny the fact that Charlie Hebdo's images sparked the reaction from the crazies.
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so again, if a gay couple kiss in the street and this offends someone they should accept the blame for being hospitalized?
 
Tefal said:
so again, if a gay couple kiss in the street and this offends someone they should accept the blame for being hospitalized?
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If I poke / tease a black tiger snake do I deserve to be bitten/poisoned?

If anything this discussion / argument proves how complex this whole "Freedom of Speech" really is.

And no.. The couple would not deserve to be abused
 
DAIR said:
If I poke / tease a black tiger snake do I deserve to be bitten/poisoned?

If anything this discussion / argument proves how complex this whole "Freedom of Speech" really is.

And no.. The couple would not deserve to be abused
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Comparing wild animals and radical muslims. Interesting.
 
dowie said:
Not really. Some people are passionate about politics, should we refrain from mocking politicians because some people are sensitive. The issue here is with some Muslims being over sensitive, wanting special treatment for their beliefs and holding views in conflict with freedom of speech.
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What you mean over sensitive like the jewish faith at the mere mention of the word holocaust? or even the mere mention of the word jew!

I'm all for freedom of speech - but being hypocritical about it isn't going to get these so called 'western freedom of speech' cards anywhere.

I think what a lot of people here are missing is context - Both these perpetrators were Algerian. Do you even know what the french have been doing to the algerians over the past century or so?.

Couple that with 'foreign intervention' in so called 'muslim' lands, and then sprinkle in the treatment of arab muslims in France, and the hypocrisy it soon adds up in terms of 'provocation'.

Not that I'm saying its perfectly fine to go harm other people - lets be clear about it its not. But to deny there was any provocation due to other factors is a blatant farcical fantasy world some of the posters here are living in.

Its alright blasting on about freedom of speech - wheres your freedom of speech when Abu Hamza was ranting away? :rolleyes:

Its just another excuse to hate on a minority for some. It was the jews back in the 1930's, its the muslims turn now - funny that these so called advancing democratic european nations still have that same mindset.
 
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DAIR said:
Guess we'll never know...
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We can look at the evidence from other jihadi terrorist attacks around the world and make a judgement. There have been plenty of justifications used by the terrorists, from troops stationed on Saudi soil, to the invasion of Iraq, to cartoons of Mohammed etc. Really though it's all about the jihadi belief that they are better than everyone else and want to impose their will accordingly.
 
zoomee said:
What you mean over sensitive like the jewish faith at the mere mention of the word holocaust?
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...because the attempt at an industrial scale systematic torture and extermination of a group of people is the same as drawing some cartoons of the prophet Mohammed.
 
http://stopwar.org.uk/news/charlie-...ils-and-the-limits-of-the-free-speech-crusade

Western politicians who lock up their own dissidents and survey the every movement of their citizenry will go on waxing lyrical about freedom of thought.

It is not to even mention the brutal rule of French colonialism in Algeria, and its preparedness to murder hundreds of thousands of Algerians and even hundreds of French-Algerian citizens in its efforts to maintain the remnants of empire. It is leaving aside the ongoing poverty, ghettoisation and persecution endured by the Muslim population of France, which is mostly of Algerian origin.

The history of the West’s relationship with the Muslim world – a history of colonialism and imperialism, of occupation, subjugation and war – cries out in protest against the quaint idea that “Western values” entail a rejection of violence and terror as political tools.
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