Shooting at French Satirical Magazine

dowie said:
lol yup it is pretty much like this thread...

same flawed point about the sacked journalist and some comment about a march not being allowed

pointless point from the presenter about muslims 'apologising' for the attacks

it is all irrelevant really - this is just a freedom of speech issue
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The lack of insight you have on alternative opinions is actually quite impressive. There is absolutely no insight! Even the cartoonist in the video points out the hypocrisy. I suppose you definitely fall into the French man's camp!
 
Some not unexpected reaction from here (The Times):

A Muslim cafe owner was threatened after displaying the rallying cry “Je Suis Charlie” on a board outside his east London premises, he has claimed.

Adel Defilaux, a French-born Muslim, said that an Asian man stormed into his cafe in Brick Lane, east London, and threatened to tear it apart unless he removed the show of support for Charlie Hebdo, the satirical magazine at the centre of the terrorist attacks in Paris last week.

“He said, ‘I believe these people deserve to be killed and anyone supporting them deserves also to be killed’,” Mr Defilaux told the Evening Standard. Police are investigating.
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In Manchester, a newsagent went through copies of The Times and blacked out a small image of the cartoon with a felt-tip pen
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...s-increase-after-paris-shootings-9977423.html

France’s National Observatory Against Islamophobia reports that since last Wednesday a total of 60 Islamophobic incidents have been recorded, with countless minor encounters believed to have gone unreported.

Amongst the incidents, a mosque in Le Mans was hit with four grenades, and gunfire directed through one of its windows.
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Grenades! wtf!

Anyways - good to see at least the french politicians have got their heads screwed on unlike the the UK ones who have just passed a bill to spy on toddlers for extremism lol

French foreign minister Laurent Fabius said last week that the word “Islamist” should not be used to described the murderers, but rather “terrorist”.

“The terrorists' religion is not Islam, which they are betraying. It's barbarity,” he said.
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Well zoo whether you like it or not they are Muslims, burying your head in the sand and saying they're not Muslims won't help anyone.

The first step to solving it is to recognise the problem.
 
So getting all uppity about the Prophet is not Islam. Ok.

Buddy said:
http://www.channel4.com/news/charlie-hebdo-free-speech-cartoons-muslims-video

Pretty much summarises the views of this entire thread and the amount of hypocrisy.
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Hypocrisy from who exactly. The French government is on PC overdrive trying to separate Islam from Islamists, while the support for Palestinians is massive among the population (ergo, huge demonstrations that were subsequently banned), and in particular Charlie Hebdo who gets called anti-semite for criticizing Israel. And she probably knows that, so...
 
B&W said:
Well zoo whether you like it or not they are Muslims, burying your head in the sand and saying they're not Muslims won't help anyone.
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Why is it so important that these attacks are described as Islamist whereas attacks by Christian-motivated terrorists don't get tagged with that religion (e.g. Anders Brevik).
 
Mr Jack said:
Why is it so important that these attacks are described as Islamist whereas attacks by Christian-motivated terrorists don't get tagged with that religion (e.g. Anders Brevik).
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Your answer has been posted many times. Please read the thread.
 
olivier renault said:
So getting all uppity about the Prophet is not Islam. Ok.



Hypocrisy from who exactly. The French government is on PC overdrive trying to separate Islam from Islamists, while the support for Palestinians is massive among the population (ergo, huge demonstrations that were subsequently banned), and in particular Charlie Hebdo who gets called anti-semite for criticizing Israel. And she probably knows that, so...
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Thanks or answering your own question
 
Mr Jack said:
Why is it so important that these attacks are described as Islamist whereas attacks by Christian-motivated terrorists don't get tagged with that religion (e.g. Anders Brevik).
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Probably because Breivik wasn't a Christian motivated terrorist - he didn't take inspiration from the Scripture, wasn't radicalised in church and even said himself that he wasn't particularly religious. In short, there isn't much to link Breivik with Christianity apart from some vague notion of his that he was protecting Europe's Christian culture. http://www.theguardian.com/commenti.../jul/24/norway-anders-behring-breivik-beliefs
 
deuse said:
Your answer has been posted many times. Please read the thread.
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Both statements have to be fair. And yet coming to a definitive conclusion as to the motives/ mental capacity of those involved and the degree with which Sharia law is held as undeniable belief in Muslims in European countries as well as the countries they originated seem above and beyond the capacity of this thread. Mostly, to be fair, because it can't be proven definitively either way.

Sadly, I fear this thread will continue to go in circles as a result.

Some good debate though. In places.
 
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scorza said:
Probably because Breivik wasn't a Christian motivated terrorist - he didn't take inspiration from the Scripture, wasn't radicalised in church and even said himself that he wasn't particularly religious. In short, there isn't much to link Breivik with Christianity apart from some vague notion of his that he was protecting Europe's Christian culture. http://www.theguardian.com/commenti.../jul/24/norway-anders-behring-breivik-beliefs
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The fact is radicals in established Mosques don't actually go a long way, at least according to my actual experiences. They tried to sneak in terrorist agendas into a mosque 100 metres from where I live and the idiot got ousted by a congregation of hundreds of Muslims before he could utter the word "suicide".

What people think happens in mosques, is actually very difficult to actually happen in established mosques. You don't just get a supply imam turn up one day who stands up and says "OK class your normal imam is off sick today, so instead of reciting prayers today I will be teaching you how to blow things up".
 
Not sure if this has been linked yet (apologies, I've neglected the last couple of pages).

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/firebombs-and-pigs-heads-thrown-into-mosques-as-antimuslim-attacks-increase-after-paris-shootings-9977423.html

The danger of tarring and judging an entire religious group based on these acts is that innocent people can and will be caught in the cross fire.

There is no sense in aggression towards other, most likely innocent (in my opinion), Muslims. Even from a selfish perspective, why put yourself in a position where you are performing illegal acts of violence unless you can prove who is responsible/ linked to these acts in the first place? Why risk going to jail targeting(potentially, and quite likely) innocent people? Surely, that makes you as bad as them?
 
TheBDog said:
Not sure if this has been linked yet (apologies, I've neglected the last couple of pages).

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/firebombs-and-pigs-heads-thrown-into-mosques-as-antimuslim-attacks-increase-after-paris-shootings-9977423.html

The danger of tarring and judging an entire religious group based on these acts is that innocent people can and will be caught in the cross fire.

There is no sense in aggression towards other, most likely innocent (in my opinion), Muslims. Even from a selfish perspective, why put yourself in a position where you are performing illegal acts of violence unless you can prove who is responsible/ linked to these acts in the first place? Why risk going to jail targeting(potentially, and quite likely) innocent people? Surely, that makes you as bad as them?
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Sad. Very sad.

An entire faith punished because of the actions of a few.
 
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