If bicycles are banned from commuter trains, why aren't pushchairs?
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The people that use bicycles should pay road tax like every other road user
Road tax doesn't exist? You mean Car/vehicle tax right?
The people that use bicycles should pay road tax like every other road user
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Road tax doesn't exist? You mean Car/vehicle tax right?
That will do
so they gave it a new name so you can't moan about the state of the roads! only in the UK.That will do
An old topic done to death many times over.
Clearly you are stuck in the 40's? Tax has been implemented for emissions for as long as I can remember.
I think (although I could be wrong) that your council tax is used for the maintenance of the roads.
or maybe its a method of commuting for workers?
Not if you need another method of commuting to carry your method of commuting, at the cost of passenger space, it isn't.
Cycling is an activity, that's all it is and that's all it will ever be. Yes, you can perform that activity on your way to work, if you live close enough, just like you could skate board or roller skate to work, or even simply jog to work, but as a method of commuting, this whole "cycling to work via train" as currently performed by many individuals is effectively in the same class as horse riding or kayaking to work via train would be. You wouldn't expect transportation methods geared towards genuine commuter to make adjustments and facilitate carrying horses or kayaks, why are you surprised that bicycles do not belong there?
Only for the performer of the activity. Pedestrians hate it, drivers hate it and apparently commuters on trains hate it too, but it's not like it ever stopped anyone from cycling...
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v0n - some people live upwards of a mile from the nearest train station, with no buses, and no carparks at neither the train station nor near their place of work, which is many miles away. Cycling is the most reasonable form of transport to the station from that point.
Stop being so narrow minded.
Stop being so narrow minded.
I think cycles and prams should be allowed on public transport. It's the transport itself that needs to change in accommodation.
I'm guessing that you don't have children, sir. Youngsters require a small amount of kit that needs to go everywhere that they do. that, sadly, is a fact of life. Carrying them in your arms means you can't do anything else and they are heavy. If you need two hands for something you have to put the blighters down which leads to further complications.
I'm guessing that you don't have children, sir. Youngsters require a small amount of kit that needs to go everywhere that they do. that, sadly, is a fact of life. Carrying them in your arms means you can't do anything else and they are heavy. If you need two hands for something you have to put the blighters down which leads to further complications.
Pedestrians don't want cyclists on pavements, drivers don't want them on the road, commuters don't want them on the train. It really is Nigel Farage of activities - supported by small minority, unwanted by most, but in your face all the time whether you want it or not.
You still end up with a kid who has to walk potentially 2-3 miles. Not an issue for adults, but for someone with legs 2-3x shorter, they get tired very quickly. Not to mention it takes 2-3x as long to get anywhere with a kid walking! A 30 minute walk to the train will turn into a 2 hour one when you're walking at half the speed and have to stop every 20 minutes to give them a rest
Besides, a kid deciding to run into traffic is just as likely as something on wheels veering into traffic.
You still end up with a kid who has to walk potentially 2-3 miles. Not an issue for adults, but for someone with legs 2-3x shorter, they get tired very quickly. Not to mention it takes 2-3x as long to get anywhere with a kid walking! A 30 minute walk to the train will turn into a 2 hour one when you're walking at half the speed and have to stop every 20 minutes to give them a rest
Give 'em some steroids then?
Then why are folding bikes allowed?
For those who didn't realise bikes were banned from some trains, theres actually quite a lot of services where they are restricted! I never realised it was quite that restrictive.
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That will do
They only gave it a new name back in 1936
Anyway, I own two cars so I pay my 'road tax' to be able to cycle every day.
In fact 100% of commuting cyclists pay 'road tax' because if they are commuting they are working and if they are working they are paying taxes for the upkeep of the road.
Now if you said we've got no insurance I'd agree on that one.
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Absolute rubbish arknor, sorry.
Almost none of the stock in use on the UK network has a guards carriage or a separate storage coach for bicycles irrespective of what you've quoted. Infact the only stock I can think of that does are the IC225's on the East Coast London to Scotland services and the diesel HST's (The IC225 has an empty driving van trailer at one end with no seats in which can be used for storage, and the HST has storage space in either power car). These are long distance Intercity services (Which whilst used for longer distance commutes are not really 'commuter trains'). Edit: Oh, also I'd imagine Greater Anglia put bikes in the DVT at the end of the IC services as well.
On everything else (ie, the overwhelming majority of train services) bicycles are stored either in bicycle areas within the main passenger coaches (For example on an XC Voyager there is a segregated area for two bicycles in Coach D, a passenger coach) or just in doorways and vestibules on other stock or on some units in the area where flipup seats are provided - flip the seats up and you have storage for bicycles of pushchairs at the detriment of seating position. This latter arrangement is the sort of thing you'll find on most inner suburban commuter services around London and the South East.
So you can stop shouting that everyone is wrong in capital letters now
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