Shooting at French Satirical Magazine

jamoor said:
And why do they feel the need to do that, why not just accept it and live in peace? Why do they need to point flaws in someone elses beliefs if its not affecting their lives in any way?

If someone believes that they have to do something ridiculous like run up and down the stairs five times in the morning to bring good luck, why insult them? Does it make you feel big and superior to them in some twisted way?
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So a small publication (who's audience wasn't even those who are "offended) can't put forward it's own views on other people's religion without fear of murderous retaliation?
 
dowie said:
eh? The magazine wasn't trying to get a reaction from the shooters - it was a low circulation left wing publication, the shooters got wind of it and chose to be offended when instead they could have just ignored it, they wouldn't have ordinarily even read it or heard of it... why should the views/cartoons in a low circulation magazine they don't read have to bother them

the cover after the attack... well that was inevitable, it wasn't particularly offensive but given how retarded some muslims get about even a mere picture of the prophet it is controversial.
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Whilst I agree with your overall post, what was this caricature intending to do?

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"Still no terrorist attack in France", and the terrorist says "Wait, we have until the end of january to present our wishes"
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Hikari Kisugi said:
Turn the other cheek.
Perhaps.
He has however stated the reality of a world that isn't 100% Christian.
Annoy someone, a human, enough, and you will get a slapping.

This in no way justifies murder, acts of violence etc, that was his first statement. Which is barely reported, or completely left out. Like everything their is mitigation, and if you poke a rabid bear with a sore paw, it'll swipe at you. Christianity isn't the bear anymore. For the most part anyway. Other religions, maybe more bear like.
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But this was the Pope saying he would do it. It was an attempt at lighthearted comment that is inappropriate compared with scripture, is not the sort of thing someone of his position should be treating so flippantly, and is supporting the notion that they journalists did something wrong. It's victim blaming.

You listen to some of the PC brigade and it's girl wears short dress and get's raped and it's not her fault (with which I would agree) and yet bloke draws a picture and gets shot then he really should have been more careful. Which one is it?
 
jamoor said:
Yes, they're both inciting each other just as badly, except they're going about it in different ways.

The magazine for trying to get a reaction from the shooters, who give a reaction, to which the magazine gives another reaction, to which another reaction will occur.

As I said, both groups of people are just as unpleasant as each other who appear to have little respect for others and hide behind their beliefs to be nasty to people. It's all driven by their need for attention.

It seems in France the way to become a national hero is to insult swathes of people and get killed for it.
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That is just nonsense.
 
Xordium said:
But this was the Pope saying he would do it. It was an attempt at lighthearted comment that is inappropriate compared with scripture, is not the sort of thing someone of his position should be treating so flippantly, and is supporting the notion that they journalists did something wrong. It's victim blaming.

You listen to some of the PC brigade and it's girl wears short dress and get's raped and it's not her fault (with which I would agree) and yet bloke draws a picture and gets shot then he really should have been more careful. Which one is it?
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Whilst i agree that no statement should lead to someone being killed. It did.
It isnt victim blaming when they are dead. They drew the pics, they died.
Shouldn't have happened, but it did.
Poke the bear, he will swipe.

With some, it doesnt take much of a poke. Look at pakistan today and the protests.
 
yeah that was a few days ago... seems to be a few comedy 'muslim' stories that have popped up in the press in the past couple of days, including the fox news 'expert' who thinks Birmingham is a no go area for non-muslims and that London has religious police...
 
dowie said:
yeah that was a few days ago... seems to be a few comedy 'muslim' stories that have popped up in the press in the past couple of days, including the fox news 'expert' who thinks Birmingham is a no go area for non-muslims and that London has religious police...
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And that comedian Farage who parroted similar views as the Fox News "expert" :D
 
are we actually allies with saudi? if we are that needs to stop. public beheadings? public flogging? that's like barbarric evil.
 
Anyone see QT last night? We had people agreeing with terrorists, saying that the magazine should have somehow known that bad things would happen for drawing a guy in a turban. Is this what it's come to?

On the other hand we had everybody, even Diane, on This Week laying into this woman saying the same thing.
 
Hikari Kisugi said:
Whilst i agree that no statement should lead to someone being killed. It did.
It isnt victim blaming when they are dead. They drew the pics, they died.
Shouldn't have happened, but it did.
Poke the bear, he will swipe.

With some, it doesnt take much of a poke. Look at pakistan today and the protests.
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Oh well let's make the the country a caliphate and instigate Sharia law in case someone takes offence we didn't!

The article said 300 people in Lahore protested - that's a city with a few more than 300 in it. That's not a significant protest at all. That's an organised protest for the purposes of media coverage rather than a real expression of popular opinion.
 
dunker said:
are we actually allies with saudi? if we are that needs to stop. public beheadings? public flogging? that's like barbarric evil.
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Apparently we have to support tyrannical regimes now, because if we don't they'll be replaced with something worse like another Islamic State.
 
Xordium said:
Oh well let's make the the country a caliphate and instigate Sharia law in case someone takes offence we didn't!
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Exactly, look at these racists offending Muslims in east London by drinking in the street, or slutty women showing their ankles and noses.

 
scorza said:
Apparently we have to support tyrannical regimes now, because if we don't they'll be replaced with something worse like another Islamic State.
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Don't forget the huge arms market that they provide for us which is another reason for support.
 
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