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I think if you believe the US govt was behind 911 then you're perhaps a tad naive as to how the world works... as though multiple actors could all coordinate an attack on the WTC and pentagon, involving foreign individuals hijacking and flying the planes... without any of it leaking out
What for? Just because the majority was Saudi citizens hardly warrants an attack, sure if the people behind the attacks were hiding in Saudi and the govt there offered them protection then.... but that wasn't the case, they were hiding in Afghanistan and the govt there protected them.
very loosely, the attacks were the result of the US having troops present in Saudi Arabia... which was something the Saudi govt were quite keen on following the Gulf war. It was carried out because for the likes of Bin Laden the presence of infidel troops in the same country as Mecca and Medina was seen as wrong.
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Oh Anjem you used to be such a nice boy -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...secret-past-hate-preacher-Anjem-Choudary.html
It seems hate preaching pays very well! well, better than the usual western stuff.
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then we currently have a massive epidemic of mental illness across the world that defies the statistics for the conditions.
the people believer they are doing the right thing, and will be rewarded they are taking the sane course of action to a believer.
If i offered you fame, fortune and admiration (and could back it up, and no negative legal repercussions) if you killed some truly evil people like a gang of murdering pedophiles, would you do it?
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Islam is extreme on its own. Sharia law states.
Criticizing / Denying Quran - Death
Blasphemy - Death
Apostasy - Death
Adultery - 100 lashes, some hadith state death
Marriage to non muslim - See Adultery
A woman who is raped cannot testify in court
Women cannot ask for divorce, unless for a valid reason like the man is addicted to drugs
Have I misquoted at all?
Criticizing / Denying Quran - Death
Blasphemy - Death
Apostasy - Death
Adultery - 100 lashes, some hadith state death
Marriage to non muslim - See Adultery
A woman who is raped cannot testify in court
Women cannot ask for divorce, unless for a valid reason like the man is addicted to drugs
Have I misquoted at all?
Absolutely not! I detest the death penalty and I'm no executioner. Firstly, I simply don't have it in me to harm another human being especially as a result of a logical thought process for goodness sake, no way could I even begin to rationalise it!. Secondly to murder a "murderer" I would have to be a hypocrite. Might seem strange to someone who would enjoy killing a bad person, I simply couldn't justify committing murder on the basis that "he did it first". I don't like bad people too, but I have morals too.A lot of murders occur due to intense and overwhelming emotion. Extreme fear, extreme anger, etc. To sit and be able to say "hey I'm going to kill this person because he killed someone first and Tefal is going to give me money" is utterly barbaric and much much worse than someone murdering someone whilst succumbed by extreme fear or anger for example.
Another way murders occur is if they are committed by an absolute psychopath. Killing a serial killer who kills people for psychological gratification is a truly ignorant thing to do, and greedy since you're [hypothetically] offering money for it! I would have many questions and would love to spend time with one (on opposite ends of a jail cell of course.)
I have been talking about specifically murder because a "paedophilic murder" suggests an intertwining of emotion and psychopathy, and suggests chain reactions leading to other things like getting rid of evidence for example.
Are you talking about Muslims believing terrorists are doing the right thing?
Well I'm no Muslim, but I have studied, and have been bought up in the company of many and I can assure you I/they don't think terrorists are doing the right thing. If I were reading the Quran and applying it to the actions of terrorists I would say in pretty much all cases they are going to hell. But my understanding of the Quran could be purely due to my disposition - which is why some people who say the Quran is the thing that's instructing terrorists to terrorise (after reading it of course - otherwise you're plain ignorant) should perhaps put that Quran down and look at themselves in the mirror...
The fact is that they are born and raised in a country and family where Islam is the principal societal statute, this means that any action they contemplate and then try to rationalise will be channelled through Islam, because they simply don't know anything else which they can use to try to justify their actions to themselves and their peers. People need to understand how these extremist cliques come about. Justifying to peers is also important because evil people tend to gravitate toward and keep company with similarly evil people.
In most extremist's cases, violent tendencies are already manifested in a person's psyche before the religious texts have a chance to be logically processed/understood by the brain. Imagine a person with a psyche which is predisposed to violence, murder, or even killing people who kill (just like in your hypothetical situation) living in a country where Islam is everywhere. This person will channel his violence or his desire to kill people who kill through Islam itself. They will use Islam as the justification.
You also need to remember that a lot of terrorists are converts to Islam. These people definitely will have read Islam with a predisposition to commit violence!
This is exactly what happens when a person reading Harry Potter wouldn’t root for Harry Potter. You can read exactly the same lines as the next man but your response to certain things is based on your individuality – just like some people’s response to a pedo-murderer is killing them.
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You haven't quoted anything at all.
Sharia Laws are basically the continuation of ancient draconian laws which most of the world used to have back in the day anyway regardless of faith, It's sad that Islam cant collectively get with the times, but a lot of this stuff is not in the Quran itself and I hope that it will get with the times sooner or later.
Don't understand your point here, explain?
that is essentially the position of the shooters.
they believe that these people are evil and have been sentenced to death by their highest and truest and most just judge (Allah).
and by killing them they shall be rewarded for all eternity in paradise with all they could wish for, their choice to kill these people based on their beliefs is perfectly sane and rational and based on their beliefs a very sensible course of action.
they'd be mad not to do it.
punish bad people and get unlimited rewards and happiness in return?
can you honestly say you'd turn that deal down?
Erm. Yes. And I'm living proof of someone who has turned it down. I know I'm going to hell if such a place exists.
Sounds like you like killing [bad] people in return for money and fame. Are you just annoyed that you're not Muslim so you can reap them?
thats why they call it faith and belief.
if we had prove of heaven/the afterlife i think things would be quite different.
not really im opposed to the death penalty but plenty support and and as you've seen in any of the gang rape cases here there are many who says they'd happily be the executioner.
so if you believe the rest of the rewards/no punishment its hardly surprising you'd find people willing to do it.
interesting would you say prison is an entirely harm free process?
Logical fallacy.
I said I don't have it in me to harm another human being. I'm in-charge of that.
I'm not in-charge of what goes on in a prison. Doesn't mean I'm against all incarceration because someone could get hurt at the hands of someone else in a prison.
that wasn't the point i was making i as meaning more of judges, police, jailors etc.
all would be in a position of receiving reward for the inflicting of harm on a person as punishment.
but im curious what logical fallacy you thought it was?
Where to get the edition in English:
http://www.bustle.com/articles/59118-where-to-get-charlie-hebdo-in-english-wherever-you-are
http://www.bustle.com/articles/59118-where-to-get-charlie-hebdo-in-english-wherever-you-are
So in your mind all muslim women get treated like beasts ?
Thats what it looks like to anyone not Muslim!!!!
