That plane footage from Taiwan

[Rimsy]

Urrggghhhh, RIP To those that lost their lives.

As someone who is petrified of flying I'm questioning my logic behind clicking; firstly this post and secondly the link....

I'm with you there... I hate flying (or more specificaly flying over built up areas and landing) yet have to fly short haul once every 2 weeks for my job. I saw the footage on bbc and immediately wished I'd not seen it!! Still... a "good" thing there werent more lives lost I suppose.

 

[dannyjo22]

Starting to seriously wonder whats going on in Asian planes...

£2 an hour maintenance and dog **** training. It will only get worse as more and more maintenance moves over there as it becomes cheaper to get aircraft there and the downtime is worth the money saving.

Seriously the Licensed Aircraft Engineers facebook page used to scare the pants of me. Full of Asians trying to get CAA/EASA qualifications/experience by scamming the exam bank, you can see why the CAA have fought Europe so hard (along with the Germans and Dutch) to maintain our education standards for people certifying aircraft. Its why so many jobs all over the world ask for a UK obtained qualification.

For that reason I don't hold out much hope their pilots are trained any better. Most of the time I have found in life you do get what you pay for.

 

[McBain]

Saw this on the news and it was literally a jaw dropping, frightening, what the **** moment.

RIP

 

[Feef]

According to reports here today, the pilot had already flown back from Kinmen that morning, and reported an engine anomaly to the ground staff, who in turn told him they'd check it when he got back from Kinmen later, as they were worried about fines for delays.

As usual however, there are no actual direct quotes, so I'd add that to the wild Taiwanese media speculation pile.

 

[molinari]

According to reports here today, the pilot had already flown back from Kinmen that morning, and reported an engine abnormality to the ground staff, who in turn told him they'd check it when he got back from Kinmen later, as they were worried about fines for delays.

As usual however, there are no actual direct quotes, so I'd add that to the wild Taiwanese media speculation pile.

It has been confirmed that the last communication from the pilot was "Mayday, mayday, engine flame-out". There is also an audio recording of it, but don't know if confirmed genuine.

 

[Rybo89]

Swear to god I have seen that video some years ago, even down to clipping the car.

Has the same events happened before or is the video older than the link?

 

[Zatoichi.uK]

I'm amazed anyone survived that tbh.

 

[mattyg]

Unbelievable foot age. I love air travel, but every time I get on a plane, I'm aware should anything go wrong, there's little chance of survival.

Very easily, try any NSL single carriageway road where a head on crash will be at a closing speed of circa 120mph

Two identical cars going head on both travelling at 70mph is the same as going head on into a concrete wall.

So your example is irrelevant also as how many times have two planes hit head on

 

[bitslice]

I don't understand why the pilot chose to roll as he approached the bridge, surely if your going to ditch and you have a looming bridge to get over you'd be going in belly first.

Schoolboy error, I have many hours in a flight sim and I reckon with a bit of flap and a barrel roll and he could have landed that no problem.

 

[Third Opinion]

£2 an hour maintenance and dog **** training. It will only get worse as more and more maintenance moves over there as it becomes cheaper to get aircraft there and the downtime is worth the money saving.

Seriously the Licensed Aircraft Engineers facebook page used to scare the pants of me. Full of Asians trying to get CAA/EASA qualifications/experience by scamming the exam bank, you can see why the CAA have fought Europe so hard (along with the Germans and Dutch) to maintain our education standards for people certifying aircraft. Its why so many jobs all over the world ask for a UK obtained qualification.

For that reason I don't hold out much hope their pilots are trained any better. Most of the time I have found in life you do get what you pay for.

That is seriously worrying.

I also am worried about counterfeit aircraft parts coming out of China and similar. Some have already been found in the US airforce and the number of parts found jumped from 52 in the 1980's to more than 300 in 1992. In 2012 the Senate armed forces committee claimed that Boeing aircraft are now riddled with these parts.

I remember reading about 600 starting motors that were confiscated and tested by the FAA. Out of the first three tested one immediately blew an oil seal and seized.

Quite a few years back an American budget airline was stripped of it's licence over fears of inferior parts. Some of the jet engine fans had been re-welded and filed by hand to a very poor standard.

Would Asian investigators own up if any of the recent crashes were caused by something like this?

 

[iamtheoneneo]

The big question surely is whether the Taxi driver will be able to claim on his insurance for damage done by being hit by a plane?

Yep out of the whole incident this is actually the most important question we need answers to!
Never mind why the plane did what it did or anything.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Two identical cars going head on both travelling at 70mph is the same as going head on into a concrete wall.

So your example is irrelevant also as how many times have two planes hit head on

Ding ding! It's round 2!

I was simply illustrating a nasty type of car accident to have, nothing more. It only turned into a side argument because somebody bizarre suggested that you'd never have a head on crash at 60mph when such a thing is entirely possible and tragically happens quite often

 

[bitslice]

Seriously the Licensed Aircraft Engineers facebook page used to scare the pants of me. Full of Asians trying to get CAA/EASA qualifications/experience by scamming the exam bank,.

Somewhere I read that China is buying a lot of planes for domestic use but only has a fraction of the trained pilots needed to fly them, so I can see this situation getting worse.

 

[BuffetSlayer]

Lol - only in GD can a thread about a tragic incident where people have died descend into a tit for tat petty argument over statistics and he said she said.

Jeez, people are dead for crying out loud. You should be ashamed of yourselves

RIP to those who didn't make it

 

[mattyg]

Ding ding! It's round 2!

I was simply illustrating a nasty type of car accident to have, nothing more. It only turned into a side argument because somebody bizarre suggested that you'd never have a head on crash at 60mph when such a thing is entirely possible and tragically happens quite often

And all i was doing waaay back in post #8 was illustrating my point yet you decided to get all keyboard warrior about it whilst ignoring what I actually wrote. (which to be fair is unlike you!) maybe you were having an off day

Bygones

 

[ci_newman]

A brief snippet on the BBC reporting that both engine failed - http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-31162351

Not really anything that the pilots could do in that situation

 

[[TW]Fox]

A brief snippet on the BBC reporting that both engine failed - http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-31162351

Not really anything that the pilots could do in that situation

It says one engine failed and the other was manually shut down

 

[mattyg]

It says one engine failed and the other was manually shut down

Pilot error maybe? Shutting down the wrong engine?

I may head over to Pprune see what those guys think

 

[Tefal]

its hapopend a fair few times where the pilots have shut the wrong engine down.

its a stresful/panicky time and mistakes happen

 

[MTA99]

Pilot error maybe? Shutting down the wrong engine?

I may head over to Pprune see what those guys think

Wouldn't be the first time and therefore check-lists and emergency drills try to eliminate this error. Of course, successfully dealing with failures in a sim always misses the one ingredient that a real failure brings...........a squeaky bum!