Nvidia rakes in record revenue.

[thebennyboy]

Missed this thread and posted in Kaap's (that will soon be closed) but not surprised to read this news at all. The 980 and 970 have had fantastic sales and in fairness, more by a long way than I was expecting. I felt the increase was a little meh but seeing some bench threads and how cool these run, I can see why a few ditched the 290/X/780/780Ti for a 970/80.

Anyways, what impresses me about nVidia is how quickly they can get things out and up and running. Take G-Sync for example.... It has been an option to buy a G-Sync enabled monitor for well over a year and iirc, they spoke about it for a couple of months before we could actually get our hands on the module and DIY it if we wanted. AMD "STILL" don't have a freesync monitor running on consumer machines and they were talking about it at the same time as nVidia (they showcased the laptop windmill). Now of course it has been said that G-Sync owners have paid a massive premium and for that I don't argue but like anything that has no competition....You want it, you pay for it.

They seem to have DX12 running very nicely already (too early to tell of course) but from the Star Swarm stress test that Oxide previously made for AMD's Mantle, we can see that DX12 is far superior on nVidia over its rival. Sure that can change before DX12 is officialy released and I would certainly hope so but with AMD's R&D diminishing year on year, have they stretched themselves too much? Maybe the huge redundancies are starting to show in the manning levels allocated to certain projects?

I think it's a bit early to be judging AMD's DX12 capabilities on 1 synthetic benchmark. It's still early days, i hope that the investment AMD is getting from China helps push R&D.

 

[thebennyboy]

Interesting. Nvidia profit from false claims.

Very interesting.

They'll end up taking their customers for a ride again at some point, and let their board partners foot the bill. As they say "What goes up, must come down", Nvidia can only pull the wool over peoples eyes for so long.

Spoiler

 

[se_vietboi]

Their milking is clearly paying off.

 

[Gregster]

I don't understand your post, to dig at AMD even though you say not? They do get a lot of miles out of the scratch they are able to throw at their R&D.

No, I said this isn't a dig (meaning at you) and I still dig at AMD, as I want to see them vying for the fastest and most innovative GPUs/Technology. AMD need to keep Intel and nVidia on their toes and vice versa. I know they are capable of it and hope the 390X restores my faith in them.

 

[bru]

I also suspect there are technical reasons why we have not seen 8gb 980s.

I doubt it or else how do you account for the 8GB 980M mobile parts ?

 

[setter]

Wouldnt the 256 bit memory bus on the 980 not be a bit of a hindrance with 8gb?

 

[RanxZy]

I doubt it or else how do you account for the 8GB 980M mobile parts ?

Yes I would sooner suspect they're holding back on a 8GB 980 because it will make it "future proof" and give less justification and desire to upgrade to GM200. I wouldn't be surprised if they release a rebadged 980 with 8GB after they've made a fortune out of the full Maxwell cards.

 

[bru]

Yes I would sooner suspect they're holding back on a 8GB 980 because it will make it "future proof" and give less justification and desire to upgrade to GM200. I wouldn't be surprised if they release a rebadged 980 with 8GB after they've made a fortune out of the full Maxwell cards.

It would make much more sense to launch an 8GB 980 and maybe a 7GB 970 ( controversial ), sell loads of them, which they would. And then launch the GM200 series, there is bound to be a couple of cards using the chip and then sell loads of them as well.
Come on admit it if they did 8GB versions of the 980/970 a lot of us would side grade to them and then still upgrade when the GM200 cards arrive.

 

[Gregster]

Wouldnt the 256 bit memory bus on the 980 not be a bit of a hindrance with 8gb?

Not so much a hindrance but it would suffer more. 4K is where it would get shown up most of the time and the 290X with 8GB and a 512bit bus will start to push ahead. I am a big proponent of 4K but there really isn't an easy option for it and 1 card can cope fine but that means settings down etc and some of us don't really want to do that (well speaking for myself mostly).

16/14nm could give us the needed grunt to have settings pretty high and by then, hopefully HBM 2 (or whatever it is called) with 8GB as a standard. 4K would then be viable and W10 catering for 4K is a plus.

 

[Lokken86]

The new AMD cards better be good for the time they are talking on them or AMD are going to be in trouble.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Are those RnD charts on the first page for just GPUs or is it for CPUs, APUs as well as anything else AMD have going?

If it is AMDs total investment in RnD then I am impressed that AMD can compete some what while resources are being spread thin.

We all want AMD to do well and to invest as much RnD as possible but they obviously take in a lot less than Intel and Nvidia. All well and good saying AMD needs to invest more and please share holders but if the cash isn't there, what can you do but cut back on spending?

I think it is admirable that AMD can compete as they do. You can argue that they are kept competitive because Nvidia and Intel hold back but if you condemn AMD for slashing their RnD budget, you should consider what Nvidia and Intels RnD budget is relative to their resources.

Edit: If people wanted AMD to have the cash and resources to throw around, then maybe they should invest in one of their fine cards!

 

[andybird123]

We all want AMD to do well and to invest as much RnD as possible but they obviously take in a lot less than Intel and Nvidia. All well and good saying AMD needs to invest more and please share holders but if the cash isn't there, what can you do but cut back on spending?

AMD revenue is actually higher than nvidia, just nvidia make a profit off less cash coming in. So what you just said about AMD being admirable for working with less cash than nvidia is nonsense.

Selling less volume of product than a competitor is not a reason for failing to make a profit. As we can see from intel and nvidias results, their margins are very healthy, there should be room for AMD to make a decent margin and still sell some product. If you make less and sell less your costs are lower. Most of AMD's production is outsourced so they should have very little fixed costs compare with say intel.

 

[The Running Man]

Investing in the future clearly pays off. Well done nVidia and good stuff.

Ethically gained profit should be admired. You are trying to heap praise on a business who just came out admitting they lied to customers about the gtx 970 and have refused to address the issue.

Is that something to celebrate.?

 

[Gregster]

Ethically gained profit should be admired. You are trying to heap praise on a business who just came out admitting they lied to customers about the gtx 970 and have refused to address the issue.

Is that something to celebrate.?

Not for you obviously. I don't get wrapped up in pettiness though and if I had that attitude, I wouldn't be buying anything at all. Most companies give spiel that isn't 100% correct but hey, I sleep well at night, so all gravy to me.

 

[ubersonic]

Ethically gained profit should be admired. You are trying to heap praise on a business who just came out admitting they lied to customers about the gtx 970 and have refused to address the issue.

Is that something to celebrate.?

As opposed to AMD's ethics of not acknowledging there's an issue and taking years to fix it? lol

As a GTX970 SLI owner I'm currently very displeased with Nvidia, but I'm not going to pretend AMD have never burned be just as bad, it's not like I can ditch them both and jump to 3DFX lol.

 

[Squink]

Ethically gained profit should be admired. You are trying to heap praise on a business who just came out admitting they lied to customers about the gtx 970 and have refused to address the issue.

Is that something to celebrate.?

Seems like in this day and age, the clamour for profit at any social cost (I.e. offshoring, cost cutting, low wages for workers and multi million pound bonuses for CEOs) is becoming more accepted. It's unsurprising that the pursuit of profit (and therefore big bonuses) results in corner cutting at the expense of the consumer. We're just getting a glimpse of the dirty underbelly at the moment.

What's more absurd is the number of people who are unconcerned, say the competition is just as bad (as if that excuses the initial behaviour), or indeed look to defend multi millionaires for shafting them. It's no wonder these things happen. Too many people caught in the headlights like rabbits, telling themselves everything's ok.

 

[eddyr]

Quickly reading this thread and stuff said there are a lot of replies I want to make... but I just cannot be bothered climbing onto the hamster wheel.

 

[Squink]

Quickly reading this thread and stuff said there are a lot of replies I want to make... but I just cannot be bothered climbing onto the hamster wheel.

So you posted because...?

 

[Stanners]

Seems like in this day and age, the clamour for profit at any social cost (I.e. offshoring, cost cutting, low wages for workers and multi million pound bonuses for CEOs) is becoming more accepted. It's unsurprising that the pursuit of profit (and therefore big bonuses) results in corner cutting at the expense of the consumer. We're just getting a glimpse of the dirty underbelly at the moment.

What's more absurd is the number of people who are unconcerned, say the competition is just as bad (as if that excuses the initial behaviour), or indeed look to defend multi millionaires for shafting them. It's no wonder these things happen. Too many people caught in the headlights like rabbits, telling themselves everything's ok.

I take it you practice what you preach? If so what companies do you use as alternatives to the unethical. Just in the pc component world to keep it simple?

Or are you saying we are all to blame basically(I could sort of agree to that)

 

[Gregster]

Seems like in this day and age, the clamour for profit at any social cost (I.e. offshoring, cost cutting, low wages for workers and multi million pound bonuses for CEOs) is becoming more accepted. It's unsurprising that the pursuit of profit (and therefore big bonuses) results in corner cutting at the expense of the consumer. We're just getting a glimpse of the dirty underbelly at the moment.

What's more absurd is the number of people who are unconcerned, say the competition is just as bad (as if that excuses the initial behaviour), or indeed look to defend multi millionaires for shafting them. It's no wonder these things happen. Too many people caught in the headlights like rabbits, telling themselves everything's ok.

Do you have a blog or a website where I can have a look at how you intend to put the world to rights? I am a fairly old man who has worked since I was 16 and worked for pennies an hour and earnt some very good money and I feel I am old enough to chill a bit and not really care if company X did this and company Y did that. So long as it does what I want and chills me in my free time, surely that stands for something? I don't feel I have been shafted (I bought a used car once and that felt like I had been shafted) and I fire up my games and enjoy them very much.