Terrorist Attack in Copenhagen, Denmark

Sat in work 10 mins walk away from the incident.
Few more police cars about than usual but nothing else to report.
 
Above&Beyond said:
You are saying these Muslim authorities will be 'questioning themselves' based on nothing at all. Who decides who is a 'proper' Muslim anyway and has the authority to tell you what you are doing is right or wrong?
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Its not based on nothing, partly its based on my professional opinon, partly on the actions of said groups and partly on the increased condemnation from areas that had previously remained silent. Even actions such as Jordan and Egyptian military actions in response to these atrocities are relatively new, showing a turning point in the way Muslim authorities are reacting to extremism.

And part of the problem is that there is no clericalism in Islam as such, so it makes it increasingly difficult to point at a specific area and say "sort that out" so they rely on organisations such as Al Ahzar, Imams, Prominent Scholars, Patriarchs and so on to counter ideologies such as those spread by Islamist organisations such as The Muslim Brotherhood.
 
Malevolence said:
Care to explain the numerous depictions of the geezer that were created by many venerated Islamic artists in the past?
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The past is the key here those images date from the early period/first caliphates. Over time muslim clerics have increasingly interpreted religious laws of "no idols" (similar to Jewish Old Testament laws against golden idols) to mean "no representation of the prophet" or increasingly "no representation of the human form at all".

There was was ruling by clerics in Saudi Arabia recently against making Snowmen as it was a representation of the human form.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...di-Arabia-fatwa-over-building-of-snowmen.html
 
Castiel said:
Its not based on nothing, partly its based on my professional opinon, partly on the actions of said groups and partly on the increased condemnation from areas that had previously remained silent. Even actions such as Jordan and Egyptian military actions in response to these atrocities are relatively new, showing a turning point in the way Muslim authorities are reacting to extremism.

And part of the problem is that there is no clericalism in Islam as such, so it makes it increasingly difficult to point at a specific area and say "sort that out" so they rely on organisations such as Al Ahzar, Imams, Prominent Scholars, Patriarchs and so on to counter ideologies such as those spread by Islamist organisations such as The Muslim Brotherhood.
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Profesional opinion?
 
Shock, horror as man who kills people was just released from prison after stabbing someone...

Http://gu.com/p/45pad

Omar el-Hussein, the 22-year-old Danish man shot dead by police after supposedly carrying out the worst attack on Danish soil for decades, was a petty criminal with a past seemingly full of contradictions. He was a smart student but reportedly had a short fuse and was prone to violence. He was a talented kickboxer and yet appeared to have suffered from anxiety and used cannabis.

Believed to have been born in Copenhagen to Palestinian parents who left a refugee camp in Jordan to come to Denmark, he spoke fluent Danish and Arabic and, local media reported, was always quick to debate the Palestinian issue.

Hussein has been widely named by local media as the Copenhagen gunman. Danish intelligence services have suggested the fatal Copenhagen shooting of a film-maker at a freedom-of-speech debate and a Jewish security guard at a synagogue may have been a copycat of last month’s Paris attacks on the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo and a kosher supermarket. If that was the case, Hussein would have had to have followed those Paris attacks from a Danish prison, where he was serving a two-year sentence for stabbing a 19-year-old man on Copenhagen’s inner-city train system. He had been released from prison only two weeks before the attacks in Copenhagen at the weekend.
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And shock horror again, he was known to intelligence services after they were alerted by someone that noticed changes in him in prison. Why are we mass collecting data again?
 
Increasingly it sounds as if this kid fits the last characterisation in Majnu's cartoon in another thread and had some serious emotional and social issues. Someone who has fallen through the system and not some hardened Islamic terrorist after all.
 
Amp34 said:
Shock, horror as man who kills people was just released from prison after stabbing someone...

Http://gu.com/p/45pad



And shock horror again, he was known to intelligence services after they were alerted by someone that noticed changes in him in prison. Why are we mass collecting data again?
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The fact that he was actually highlighted as a potential threat suggests that the system of collecting data works. Unfortunately, the ability to act on that information and protect innocents was lost. Why, is anybodys guess.
 
Castiel said:
Increasingly it sounds as if this kid fits the last characterisation in Majnu's cartoon in another thread and had some serious emotional and social issues. Someone who has fallen through the system and not some hardened Islamic terrorist after all.
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Unfortunately that doesn't fit the narrative of many with large chips on their shoulder. It can't be "our" fault surely!?

Captain Planet said:
The fact that he was actually highlighted as a potential threat suggests that the system of collecting data works. Unfortunately, the ability to act on that information and protect innocents was lost. Why, is anybodys guess.
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So mass surveillance of the Internet and access to emails somehow helped somebody notice a physical change in prison?

This is another case where a physical warrant to access any communications by him would have been appropriate. Unfortunately every time something like this happens we see politicians and MI6 standing up and saying "we need more draconian powers to monitor everyone", whereas in fact they are know to police and SS after physical tip offs from people that know them or random police stops. Another win for the Mk1 eyeball...
 
What surprises me is there is a meeting on "free speech" attended by someone who has a known history of being targeted by islamic extremists and survived attempts on his life already on a subject known to be sensitive to certain people and bearing in mind recent events in france and belgium and... the police and security forces are taken completely unawares that such an event might, y'know, happen again?

Sounds awfully like a case of neglect or negligence by the security services to me. It could at least have had a police presence assuming it wasn't a secret meeting which seems unlikely since it was a public meeting place.
 
I think they may have underestimated the likelihood of an attack but I am sure I read that he did have an armed police escort??

At the synagogue they also had officers present (who were also shot but not fatally)
Across the two shootings 5 police officers were wounded.

If the above is correct then the presence of the officers both at the cafe and the synagogue may well have prevented many more fatalities.
 
Castiel said:
Increasingly it sounds as if this kid fits the last characterisation in Majnu's cartoon in another thread and had some serious emotional and social issues. Someone who has fallen through the system and not some hardened Islamic terrorist after all.
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He swore allegiance to ISIS on his facebook and said: 'Our purpose is to destroy you. We will come to you with slaughter and death'

He was radicalized in prison and murdered two people in cold blood for his warped beliefs. I'd say he fit the definition of an Islamic terrorist pretty well.
 
Amp34 said:
Unfortunately that doesn't fit the narrative of many with large chips on their shoulder. It can't be "our" fault surely!?
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That dead piece of filth made his own choices. His 'legacy' is suspicion and distrust for Muslims in Denmark and beyond who didn't agree with him. Hopefully though something good comes from this, like swifter and harsher action against other would be terrorists who are on the Danish secret service's radar and prisons being changed to combat radicalization. Make them do the toughest time possible in seclusion.
 
Above&Beyond said:
He swore allegiance to ISIS on his facebook and said: 'Our purpose is to destroy you. We will come to you with slaughter and death'

He was radicalized in prison and murdered two people in cold blood for his warped beliefs. I'd say he fit the definition of an Islamic terrorist pretty well.
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Nah, he just fell through the system.
 
The media seem not to be making much mention of the belief that Omar el-Hussein was the son of Palestinian refugees.

I wonder why that might be :confused:
 
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