Unemployed yoof to pick up litter in return for benefits...

DJMK4 said:
No doubt the scroungers will kick up a fuss about it.

But why should they get it easy, half a year should be plenty of time to find a job! If they havnt, then atleast they will be giving something back for the taxpayers over generous term in paying them
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I was out of work in for 18 months in west yorkshire while applying for everything from cleaning to software dev roles like the one I am in now. Just because someone is out of work for over 6 months dose'nt make them a scrounger.

I hated the fact I was unemployed as much as being vilified for being jobless despite me trying not be.
 
If we're gong to condone slave labour, we might as well go the whole hog and make the yoofs wear a yellow star, you know, so we know who's who.
 
Tefal said:
where do they get the money to hide?
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Off the backs of underpaid Asian workers mostly.

ANd then there's the landlords.

One such private landlord is Conservative MP Richard Benyon, one of Britain's wealthiest parliamentarians whose family is worth around £110m. Despite having condemned spending on social security for "rising inexorably and unaffordably", and having applauded the government for "reforming Labour's 'something for nothing' welfare culture", Benyon benefits from £120,000 a year through housing benefit collected from his tenants. Another vigorous supporter of cuts to the welfare state was Tory MP Richard Drax, whose estate received a substantial £13,830 housing benefit in 2013. They are both wealthy benefit claimants who advocate slashing state support for the poor.
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http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/aug/29/socialism-for-the-rich
 
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I have two issues with this idea.

1. We do not have a jobs surplus overall & regionally some areas are void of opportunities.

Until the above is addressed, there is not a single punitive measure which will effectively reduce the number of unemployed individuals.

There has to be a certain number of people out of work & unsurprisingly it's those with the least experience, longest periods out of work & with the lowest interview skills who will reside at the bottom. This is entirely predictable.

If we do not address the issues regarding social mobility, or finding actual paid jobs for people then this will not change.

2. Job seekers allowance is meant to be for those looking for work, not currently working almost a full week.

If an individual is working for 30 hours they deserve to get paid for 30 hours of work, giving somebody £57.30 for 30 hours week is paying them £1.91 per hour as opposed to the NMW which sits at £5.13 (apr for the age of the people likely to suffer the fallout of this).

Overall it's a badly thought out ideologically based scheme with no real sound data driven basis. Clearly designed to appease a 'certain kind of voter' who is not interested in finding any pragmatic solutions (after reading through this thread appears to have worked).

Stretch said:
I'm not a lefty, far from it. But I agree with this 100%.

Also, a continued attack on welfare, that includes everything but pensions, isn't rational.
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Indeed.

This systemic attack on job-seekers who represent a very minor proportion of total government spending & more specifically welfare spending & that predictable nature the population is lapping it up really shows that these charges not based on reason.

This is nothing more than an irrational ideology made policy promise, nothing more.
 
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balky12 said:
Don't see how my 'relative silver spoon' upbringing has much to do with it. Pretty sure my employers saw my grades and achievments on my CV long before giving me and interview and then knowing any personal background.
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Then you completely naive if you don't think your upbringing had nothing to do with it.

You think some kid raised on an estate who can't afford proper nutrition, is exposed to crime and terrible cultures and drugs had the same advantages afforded to you? LOLOLOLOL

What are you smoking, I think I'll have a bit....

Lets say this for example

You were raised in a good stable house environment without drama and abuse so you didn't feel constantly stressed or emotionally unstable allowing you to focus on studies and furthering yourself.
You were probably fed better quality food (so your body/mind could work efficiently and allow you to focus and be healthy emotionally See book ultramind solution how much diet affects the mind) and were not exposed to junk food on a constant basis along with fags and booze.
You grew up in a decent area free from negativity and pressure from peers to take drugs, commit crime or be an underachiever.


Take a kid who is raised in a life like that, and please tell me how he is supposed to just "snap out of it" and he can just find a job from the job fairies.
 
Efour said:
exploiting them below their worth ?

You know all this Tefal or you playing coy ? :P
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how exactly do they exploit them?

cause more and more its sounding like me they "earn" this money by organizing and financing the movement and processing of raw materials into goods, the acquiring and maintaining of facilities and machinery then handling the shipping distribution and marketing of the final product.

I'm just waiting to see where the magic money rain comes in.
 
Tefal said:
********, a kilo of veg costs less than a kilo of chips at about 1 quid a kg.

eating healthy is cheaper than eating ****.
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Oh god here come the arguing the minor points.

Please dude, don't even try.

It's the culture as well, did you grow up in an abusive household?

It's a lifestyle thing and is down the many factors how some people end up where they do. If you were born into a relatively decent family and had an adequate upbringing you need to get off your soap box and stop lecturing some kid born into a garbage life.

It's a vicious cycle some of these people are caught in.
 
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CREATIVE!11 said:
Oh god here come the arguing the minor points.
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it is hardly a minor point - you're claiming they can't afford proper nutrition - which is BS, they just don't bother with proper nutrition

they're often just bad in general at managing the money they have got, technically it ought to be enough to get by but plenty will (yup daily fail stereotype time) fritter a lot a way on alcohol, cigarettes, scratch cards etc...
 
CREATIVE!11 said:
Then you completely naive if you don't think your upbringing had nothing to do with it.

You think some kid raised on an estate who can't afford proper nutrition, is exposed to crime and terrible cultures and drugs had the same advantages afforded to you? LOLOLOLOL

What are you smoking, I think I'll have a bit....

Lets say this for example

You were raised in a good stable house environment without drama and abuse so you didn't feel constantly stressed or emotionally unstable allowing you to focus on studies and furthering yourself.
You were probably fed better quality food (so your body/mind could work efficiently and allow you to focus and be healthy emotionally See book ultramind solution how much diet affects the mind) and were not exposed to junk food on a constant basis along with fags and booze.
You grew up in a decent area free from negativity and pressure from peers to take drugs, commit crime or be an underachiever.


Take a kid who is raised in a life like that, and please tell me how he is supposed to just "snap out of it" and he can just find a job from the job fairies.
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'Can't afford proper nutrition' as you said 'LOLOLOLOL' it's actually cheaper, if you know how to cook. Perhaps you won't be able to afford meat, but eating healthier =/= more expensive. The fact that people do not know this highlights that they are either just lazy or not very bright. Which probably rubs off in their ability to find a job.

Right now we have confirmed that you don't know what you are talking about lets address the other issues.

I can assure you I was not brought up in a 'negative free' and 'pressure free' atmosphere. In fact my parents put huge amount of pressure on me to do well with school and in my working life.

So anyone who is brought up on an 'estate who can't afford proper nutrition, is exposed to crime and terrible cultures and drugs' should just give up on life? Just accept a life of benefits?

I was also an habitual drug user until I 'grew out of it' to a certain extent, oh and I smoked (now vape).
 
bitslice said:
Not if you don't have easy access to supermarkets.
I've never found fruit and veg cheap, potatoes I can get for almost nothing.
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You can find cheaper options, but point being they always come in with this sweeping statement how eating healthy is so easy and affordable.

I bet you the person making that comment doesn't even eat healthy themselves a lot of the time LOL.

Now I'll agree if someone is spending money on fags and not healthy food that is retarded. But I reiterate my point, these kids grow up surrounded by it and get pulled into it.
 
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