So badly burned at first I thought he was a victim of white phosphorus.
Netanyahu: Iran a threat to the world.
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So badly burned at first I thought he was a victim of white phosphorus.
You don't need to explain all of Israel's faults to me. I know what they do, and much of it I find unacceptable. Israel do some really bad things, we know this. My position is Palestine is worse. This is the bit you don't like though isn't it ? You can't get your head around why I feel this way can you ? Hence the silly rant and the slurs. If you watch the Sam Harris video I posted, he is more or less in line with my thinking regarding this.
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I hate Hamas, period.
Hamas is a product of Israel's Oppression and this is what YOU can't see.
I have seen your video and many many others.
Like I said, Palestine has always been secular, it was vastly Christian, the years of oppression drove many to Islam as Christianity was not working. Islam teaches them to be happy with their lot and that they will be rewarded in Heaven if they take the pain now. In reality Islam like many other religions is control, and it keeps countries with severe abject poverty with very low crime! Unfortunately in EVERY religion there are factions that become extreme, in the US they have horrendous problems with Christian religious fanatics far more than Muslim fanatics.
All I am saying, and what you demonstrate is that you do not have a balanced viewpoint and have formed your opinions based on rockets from Gaza rather than what caused them to be fired, which in most cases is theft of land, collective punishment, long term jail without charge, violence against peaceful protests and many many other reasons.
Like I said, I spent many many months in Israel, I have some very valued friends in Israel, I have nothing against Jewish people, I have nothing against Israelis as a rule but I have a lot against the Israeli govt, that is the part you don't seem to recognise.
Sam talks about protecting the Jews when in reality, Jews hold massive power around the world and only Israel causes the anti Jewish behaviour, even many Jews around the world support Palestine, surely that should tell you something? Did you realise 112 members of the US congress hold dual Israeli/US citizenship? How about 9 members of Obama's administration? 23 Senators? They really are not the oppressed religion Sam makes them out to be. The rest of his speech is just the same lies and rhetoric Netenyahu would have you believe.
Israel isn't about Judaism it is about Zionism and Zionists believe that no Palestinians should exist in Israel's borders which they consider to include the occupied territories.
History is written by the victors, but truth is often far from the recorded facts. Watch something factual like Miko Peled, all of his statements can be verified rather than the half truths Sam has to tell. The mere fact he calls Palestinians "muslims" shows how inaccurate he really is. Predominately yes, but that has come from years of oppression.
If Palestine is worse, then Israel is to blame for that.
Guess we need to agree to disagree.
But you still haven't really fielded any sort of counter argument or said anything of substance. Your responses are to just dismiss what people say, post videos in response to questions you can't answer and then give a condescending response if someone prompts you to actually answer questions instead of doing the above.
I decide when I want to speak to someone thanks. I have stated my case quite clearly in this thread. Hence all the love that has come my way so far. Have you not noticed the love spoffle ?
I have also engaged with counter arguments at times. It's not my responsibility or duty to answer every single post aimed at me. Some posts are simply to be ignored. It's not my responsibility or duty to counter every single point. Some points are absurd. Just because you ask a question that doesn't mean it merits an answer. I could ask, What does purple smell like ? Some questions are insipid.
Aside from the fact that everything Dr Who said is pretty much indisputable.
Where did you get this from? The area has been majority Muslim since the 12th Century CE.
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Iran needs the bomb, to prevent an Iranian holocaust.
Netanyahu is such a genuine lovable character isn't he you can really trust that guy.
Netanyahu is such a genuine lovable character isn't he you can really trust that guy.
A common misconception, but Palestine historically has had a significant Arab Christian population, Until the 20th century around 25-35% of the indigent population would have belonged to a Christian denomination. The formation of Israel actually impacted the Christian population enormously, with large numbers being exiled or leaving during the Arab-Israeli war an later.
Somewhere in the region of 18% of Palestinians globally are Christian.
Across the Middle East there are sizeable Christian communities, the largest in Egypt with around 10-12 million Christians, predominantly Copts.
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No I'm not a shillI do have Jewish friends though and really value their friendship. We socialise sometimes and have interesting chats about the whole Israel Palestine thing and religion etc. So maybe that's why I'm a little pro Israel maybe ? Or maybe it's because on balance I honestly and genuinely feel that Israel is the lesser of the two evils in that conflict. I've always felt that way about it even before I knew any Jewish people.
Not suggesting you actually are, just making a joke in line with many serious comments in other threads when people are seen as very pro something.
Yeah I know. We cool home boy.
Whose misconception? I didn't say anything about it not having a significant Christian population but I disagreed with the assertion that Palestine was "vastly Christian".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine
I have no real reason to distrust the above link which disagrees with your figures.
He reminds me of those muslims that always refuse to condemn terrorist groups no matter what.
if the positions were switched and all the Jews were in Gaza whilst Russia provided the Palestinians of Israel with an iron curtain their would be outrage about how it's like a prison country for the Jews and the holocaust never ended.
but because Israel has western allies they are the good guys, hopefully one day America stops vetoing all UN resolutions against Israel
The 1948 Israeli War of Independence was between the neighboring Arab countries and the newly formed state of Israel. The Arab countries did not send troops to help the people that are today known as "Palestinians" but rather they sent troops to drive the Jews into the sea. Most of the "Palestinian Arabs" fled to avoid the fighting. Remember, in 1948 they were not referred to as "Palestinians". This name was was created by the Soviet disinformation masters in 1964 when they created the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO). The term "Palestinian People" as a description of Arabs in Palestine appeared for the first time in the preamble of the 1964 PLO Charter, drafted in Moscow. The Charter was affirmed by the first 422 members of the Palestinian National Council, handpicked by the KGB. This term was formally used by newspapers around the world after 1967.
Bit weird you saying that as I've made numerous posts in this thread where I criticise Israel, quite a lot actually, if you care to go back and look.
Falsehood number one. The "Palestinian People" have an historic connection to the land.
This is very interesting since there is no such thing as a "Palestinian People". When the Romans changed the name of Israel to Palestine, the people living there at the time were Jews, not Arabs. If there had been a "Palestinian People", which there never was, they would have been Jews.
This is very interesting since there is no such thing as a "Palestinian People". When the Romans changed the name of Israel to Palestine, the people living there at the time were Jews, not Arabs. If there had been a "Palestinian People", which there never was, they would have been Jews.
1. Israel became a nation in 1312 BCE, two thousand years before the rise of Islam.
2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.
3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 BCE, the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.
2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.
3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 BCE, the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.