Netanyahu: Iran a threat to the world.

wordy · 20 Mar 2015 at 13:19

Sliver said:
That they're no different than the Palestinians who want to enact a genocide against the Jews ? Actually less different, because Israel could enact genocide at any moment, but they don't, they show enormous restraint.

At first I was like :confused:

Now I'm all

Amp34 · 20 Mar 2015 at 14:22

Zethor said:
Exaggerated claims and promises, particularly those related to populism, are common in all democracies. As for the state of the Israeli people, they were not convinced by the opposition, which should have won these elections given the dire economic climate in Israel.

What he said is akin to someone like Nigel Farage or a member of the BNP saying on Election Day "Blacks are heading to the polling stations in droves"?

Do you really think that is acceptable?

It's the kind of thing you would have heard in Apartheit South Africa not a modern western democracy.

Skunkworks · 20 Mar 2015 at 16:38

Von Smallhausen said:
Well if what we have seen is an example of restraint by Israel then I dread to think what would happen if the leash came off.

Their responses may be disproportional, but as a percentage of their full capability, it’s pretty low. I wonder to myself if the Palestinians had the same capability, what percentage of it they would use.

ak22 · 20 Mar 2015 at 17:00

Sliver said:
That they're no different than the Palestinians who want to enact a genocide against the Jews ? Actually less different, because Israel could enact genocide at any moment, but they don't, they show enormous restraint.

Hahahaha enormous restraint? Is that some kind of sick joke? They only reason they have not done a complete purge of Palestine, is because of the international community. Instead they they slowly commit genocide over decades of illegal land grabs and wars they are slow wiping Palestine off the map. Disgusting racist, Apartheid government bibi butcher & co.

Castiel · 20 Mar 2015 at 17:02

Skunkworks said:
Their responses may be disproportional, but as a percentage of their full capability, it’s pretty low. I wonder to myself if the Palestinians had the same capability, what percentage of it they would use.

What makes you think that the Palestinians would have forced the Jews out of the region in the first place. Arab and Jew lived in Palestine in peace for a very long time before the formation of Israel. You cannot justify anything by saying what might have happened had Israel never been formed.

Saying Israel is somehow offering restraint has got to be one the most ridiculous arguments I have ever heard in defence of act in which thousands of largely innocent people have been killed. You may as well say that any act perpetrated by any state is ok as long as they don't use all their offensive ability in doing it. So as long as the Russia doesn't nuke Ukraine, everything else is just showing restraint for example...As long as Israel doesn't kill everyone in the West Bank, their settlements and demolitions of Palestinian homes is Israel showing restraint?

The point really is whether the Israelis could use their vastly superior forces and power to actually bring about peace in a more substantive and humane way. And the answer is pretty much, of course they could.

ShakenNstirred · 20 Mar 2015 at 17:30

Castiel said:
Netanyahu is more threat to be honest.

So true

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Amnesia · 20 Mar 2015 at 17:34

Showing enormous restraint ? you make it sound like they have an itch to kill innocents.

you may be onto something

Sliver · 20 Mar 2015 at 17:38

wordy said:
At first I was like Now I'm all

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Skunkworks · 20 Mar 2015 at 17:42

Castiel said:
What makes you think that the Palestinians would have forced the Jews out of the region in the first place. Arab and Jew lived in Palestine in peace for a very long time before the formation of Israel. You cannot justify anything by saying what might have happened had Israel never been formed.

I never even mentioned any of that.

Castiel said:
Saying Israel is somehow offering restraint has got to be one the most ridiculous arguments I have ever heard in defence of act in which thousands of largely innocent people have been killed.

I'm not defending their actions, I think Israel is commiting war crimes. I was simply pointing out the demonstrable fact that whatever Israel has done, it's fraction of what it could do.

Castiel said:
You may as well say that any act perpetrated by any state is ok as long as they don't use all their offensive ability in doing it. So as long as the Russia doesn't nuke Ukraine, everything else is just showing restraint for example...As long as Israel doesn't kill everyone in the West Bank, their settlements and demolitions of Palestinian homes is Israel showing restraint?

The point really is whether the Israelis could use their vastly superior forces and power to actually bring about peace in a more substantive and humane way. And the answer is pretty much, of course they could.

Are you having some kind of breakdown?

Tefal · 20 Mar 2015 at 17:45

ak22 said:
Hahahaha enormous restraint? Is that some kind of sick joke? They only reason they have not done a complete purge of Palestine, is because of the international community. Instead they they slowly commit genocide over decades of illegal land grabs and wars they are slow wiping Palestine off the map. Disgusting racist, Apartheid government bibi butcher & co.

so whys the Palestinian population rising?

Castiel · 20 Mar 2015 at 17:47

Skunkworks said:
I never even mentioned any of that.

You said what would happen if the roles were reversed did you not?

Skunkworks said:
I'm not defending their actions, I think Israel is commiting war crimes. I was simply pointing out the demonstrable fact that whatever Israel has done, it's fraction of what it could do.

Which doesn't mean they are showing restraint. Which was what I was illustrating.

Skunkworks said:
Are you having some kind of breakdown?

More to the point, Are you?

Sliver · 20 Mar 2015 at 17:47

Skunkworks said:
I'm not defending their actions, I think Israel is commiting war crimes. I was simply pointing out the demonstrable fact that whatever Israel has done, it's fraction of what it could do.

I've tried making this point numerous times, but the number freaks who seem to think the side who kills the most must be the bad guys, don't understand. It's not about numbers.

Castiel · 20 Mar 2015 at 17:58

Tefal said:
so whys the Palestinian population rising?

Because they have a high birth rate, census figures are historically unreliable, and that it doesn't detract from the point that slowly the Palestinian West Bank and East Jerusalem gets smaller despite increasing populations as illegal settlements move in and State sponsored demolitions of Palestinian homes continues. Even if the Palestinian birth rate is high doesn't mean that a plan of long term genocide (as in the removal of an ethnic population from a nation) is not taking place.

Genocide doesn't only mean killing everyone. There are various definitions that would relate to Israel with regard it's diminishing Arab population as a percentage of the total population overall.

Castiel · 20 Mar 2015 at 18:00

Sliver said:
I've tried making this point numerous times, but the number freaks who seem to think the side who kills the most must be the bad guys, don't understand. It's not about numbers.

Actually that was the point I was making...it doesn't matter how many guns you have, restraint isn't about whether you use them all or not, but how you use them.

Just because Israel could wipe out Gaza, doesn't mean they are showing restraint by not doing so. Restraint is not using them at all on innocent populations.

Sliver · 20 Mar 2015 at 18:10

Castiel said:
Actually that was the point I was making...it doesn't matter how many guns you have, restraint isn't about whether you use them all or not, but how you use them.

Just because Israel could wipe out Gaza, doesn't mean they are showing restraint by not doing so. Restraint is not using them at all on innocent populations.

True. But I can reverse that statement and say the same about Palestine, and it would still be valid.

Maybe one day both sides can sit down and talk and be sincere and resolve this, but I don't see that day any time soon, and I blame Israel for this as well as Palestine.

Castiel · 20 Mar 2015 at 18:16

Sliver said:
True. But I can reverse that statement and say the same about Palestine, and it would still be valid.

Maybe one day both sides can sit down and talk and be sincere and resolve this, but I don't see that day any time soon, and I blame Israel for this as well as Palestine.

Palestine? What is this Palestine you are referring to? The Palestinian Authority perhaps? Their is a marked difference between the responsibilities of a State (particularly a democratic one) and those of the individual in this context.

Bottom line is that until the stronger party is in any mood to negotiate nothing will change, and as Netanyahu has pointedly stated, there will be no Palestinian State.

snapdragon69 · 20 Mar 2015 at 18:21

Oulton knows the truth!

snapdragon69 · 28 Mar 2015 at 08:55

Sliver said:
If I had to choose sides it would be firmly on the side of Israel. I don't trust any of the Arab states

Iranians are not Arabs, (apart from Arab immigrants) they are Persian aryans and hate being called Arabs - what's more they blame their country's problems on Arab invaders.