AMD Radeon 300 series may largely consist of rebrands

[LoadsaMoney]

If they've got stacks of 290s though that they can't sell, it makes sense to rebrand em to 380s

 

[new boy]

I'm not sure the 7950/70 can go to the 370(x). Would be a massive power draw for a budget GPU. I supose the 285 could go down to it, but there is no 285x, so I guess there would be a new SCU. the 290s to 380s I can believe.

 

[Boomstick777]

Huge Pinch of salt ^^^^^
Something is very wrong with some of these articles of late, they seem to be getting more and more idiotic.

They are basing their evidence for rebrands on the new GPU codes in Drivers.
They don't offer any reasoning for that.

What they have done in a very long winded way is rewrite what a random forum user has written:

"15.3 Drivers have new GPU's in the product listings, these new GPU's are rebrands"

Thats it.

Utter nonsense.

+1

It's all speculation at this point. Tbh though as long as 390 / 390X are decent and anything else sees price reduction / improvement it's all good imho.

For all we know these new cards are 14nm and an entire new line from top to bottom. Speculation is wild because AMD aren't saying anything.

 

[Mal X]

so much BS because it's so boring and quiet, none of us lot will be interested in those cards anyway........only a rebranded 295X2 with 8gb RAM, but no, it'll be a 390X2.....even better !

390X...........390X HYDRA............390X2 Dual

the 390X will be for arguements sake the old 290X .............I think

AMD have got a month, if nothing by then i'm getting the TX

 

[africanos23]

so much BS because it's so boring and quiet, none of us lot will be interested in those cards anyway........only a rebranded 295X2 with 8gb RAM, but no, it'll be a 390X2.....even better !

390X...........390X HYDRA............390X2 Dual

the 390X will be for arguements sake the old 290X .............I think

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[Mal X]

Meanwhile elsewhere.......

Your Order has been packed and is in the process of being shipped.
----------------------------------------------------------
Goods Shipped:
Gigabyte GeForce Titan X 12288MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card

YEA YEA i've seen it already, bully for you.

 

[Final8y]

If only the 760 was a straight 670 rebrand...Nvidia thought it would be too good for the us consumers, they cut down the core counts further but increased the clock speed, so it appeared to be as fast as the 670, but it's not.

Due to the lack of serious threat from AMD, Nvidia theseday divides their mid-range and high-end flagship to be released as two gens releases, plus taking advantage of the Titan branding to further inflat the price of the mainstream flagship card (the cut down from the Titan i.e. the 780, 780Ti). Now they are even getting away with branding what's essentially a 980Ti, or 1080 12GB as Titan X and selling it as a Titan product.

Graphic performance improvement is already falling behind the advancement of the resolution, so we would really need graphic cards to improve in more performance per gen than ever before...but with the recent practises of new gen cards competing with last gen cards, plus people throw nearly a grand at graphic that only around 40% faster than last gen, which is nothing out of the ordinary and just nature progression in the pass...they encouraging businesses to milk them, and to give a little performance increase for the mainstream cards as possible (so they can make the Titan look more special and continue to charge high premium for it). It will be a very very long time till we see a single mainstream card can push 4K in the more demanding games...

For Nvidia's side, nowadays we see sub £200 price bracket cards barely increase in performance over 3 gens. With Nvidia has now successfully selling a big 80 card at Titan price, it will only be a matter of time before the same happen for the sub £400 price brackets cards- 3 gens passed and still with nothing worth upgrading to in the same price bracket, and anyone that would want meaning upgrade must be prepared to spend at least £500+ on a card.

I agree with a lot you say here, is it because we're old or just a bit reluctant to hand over money when we can see products for what they really are.
Don't get me wrong the titan x performance is good, but it's not a titan just a full fat maxwell branded as one. It's a £500-600 card tops, but then people still think gm204 gtx 980 is high end, which aldo has an artificial marked up price.

Well said.

 

[Boomstick777]

For Nvidia's side, nowadays we see sub £200 price bracket cards barely increase in performance over 3 gens.

I've found the GTX 960 £150 (With game) to be as fast as the GTX 680, doesn't make any sound and uses little power. To say there have been no improvements is just wrong. Have you even tried one?

We've seen the 970 £250 (With game) trade blows in performance with the 290X AMD's current flagship while using less power.

The 980 is a tier above anything AMD have and came in cheap for Nvidia £450 @ Launch.

The Titan X is tomorrows performance today.

Nvidia are offering a solid lineup overall with a product for every wallet. Arguably a superior product at that.

Now we're just waiting for AMD's response..

 

[Jono8]

Nothing new there as the current crop are mostly rebrands apart from the to top end cards

The 900 series is all new architecture or were you talking about AMD?

 

[Marine-RX179]

I've found the GTX 960 £150 (With game) to be as fast as the GTX 680, doesn't make any sound and uses little power. To say there have been no improvements is just wrong. Have you even tried one?

We've seen the 970 £250 (With game) trade blows in performance with the 290X AMD's current flagship while using less power.

The 980 is a tier above anything AMD have and came in cheap for Nvidia £450 @ Launch.

The Titan X is tomorrows performance today.

Nvidia are offering a solid lineup overall with a product for every wallet. Arguably a superior product at that.

Now we're just waiting for AMD's response..

And you have pretty much summed up the "competiting with last gen" practise I was referring to...

 

[Boomstick777]

And you have pretty much summed up the "competiting with last gen" practise I was referring to...

No need to be defensive, we're just chatting That's not what you said mate you said:

Originally Posted by Marine-RX179

For Nvidia's side, nowadays we see sub £200 price bracket cards barely increase in performance over 3 gens.

So I'm saying in response to what you said about Nvidia's cards that the 960 (£150 with game) trades blows with the 680 (£400 @ launch) while using much less power, that's a pretty good improvement over the last 3 gens imho.

Once AMD finally, eventually respond to Nvidia we'll see even more improvements / price changes. Balls in AMD's court now, so just wait for AMD to eventually respond if you're not happy with current stack.

 

[Mal X]

The Titan X is tomorrows performance today.

Nvidia are offering a solid lineup overall with a product for every wallet. Arguably a superior product at that.

Now we're just waiting for AMD's response..

yes, i cant see AMD beating it......Nvidia have the advantage of quality and ongoing software support.

if you buy an AMD card you'll never hear from them after that, because AMD Catalyst was hardly ever updated, Nvidia's is updated every month

yes you pay a hell of a lot more for Nvidia, but you rest easy at night, the TX is exactly the same performance as 970SLI so to be honest it's a no brainer.

AMD is worth waiting for, but maybe only for the 390X2 Dual.......AMD need to wake up pretty quickly and tell us what they're up to, because to hear nothing about a future product that's due soon is extremely rare from any manufacturer

 

[Marine-RX179]

No need to be defensive, we're just chatting That's not what you said mate you said:

Not being defensive at all, I was just point it out as it is.

The 960 in reality is closer to a 670 than a 680. The 660 has been launched for 2 and half years now, and people who spent around £150~ on it, spending the same money today would get an upgrade of essentially moving from the 660 to a 670 with only around 30% increase in performance at most, so I really don't think the performance increase is as "impressive" as you think. If I was the average sub £200 spender on graphic card, would I spend another £150 on getting a new card that's only going to give me a mere extra ~30% increase in performance? Most probably not. I would be like "wake me up to upgrade when I get at least +50~60% performance with the upgrade".

Lower power consumption etc. is nice to have, but they are not essentially and most people are not too bother with the little lower consumption in contrast to performance.

 

[Boomstick777]

Not being defensive at all, I was just point it out as it is.

The 960 in reality is closer to a 670 than a 680. The 660 has been launched for 2 and half years now, and people who spent around £150~ on it, spending the same money today would get an upgrade of essentially moving from the 660 to a 670 with only around 30% increase in performance at most, so I really don't think the performance increase is as "impressive" as you think. If I was the average sub £200 spender on graphic card, would I spend another £150 on getting a new card that's only going to give me a mere extra ~30% increase in performance? Most probably not.

Lower power consumption etc. is nice to have, but they are not essentially and most people are not too bother with the little lower consumption in contrast to performance.

It can def trade blows with the 680, I've been using one this past week. They are little beasts for the money ! Lower power consumption means less noise / heat and more overclocking so it's def a plus !! I would say Nvidia offer arguably better options at every price level right now. You're looking at £150 card that can offer a really solid gaming experience. Atm comes with a £40 game, that's great value and improvement over past gens. We really are in limbo until AMD eventually get around to releasing something new. Then should be more a shakeup in pricing VS performance.

 

[nails666]

yes, i cant see AMD beating it......Nvidia have the advantage of quality and ongoing software support.

if you buy an AMD card you'll never hear from them after that, because AMD Catalyst was hardly ever updated, Nvidia's is updated every month

I know there's been a lot of (justifiable) complaints recently about the delay of the next AMD drivers because of FreeSync but to be fair to them, before this gap they did also release new drivers monthly and apparently are planning to return to that approach now.

 

[D.P.]

The only thing if is interest will be if the 380/x is just a rebranded 290/x or is it a cutdown 390X.
I imagine there is some pressure at AMD to make the 380 use the new architecture to reduce power/heat/noise compared with the 980.

 

[meldarthx]

cut down 390X would be 390 well only thing I could think is a respin 290 chip....but then it wouldn't be the same chip...

 

[Davedree]

I hope i'm wrong but from recollection of numerous Amd disappointments,
their silence is a sign they haven't got the performance. Nvidia's reworked Maxwell on an existing process was pure genius in it's execution.

The closest we saw to a refinement to any Gcn as well as in the mid range was Tonga, and well say no more.
Delay delay delay, too late come on Amd sort it out

 

[R3X]

Samsung 390X ?

 

[Nocky24]

One of the last rumours I read was that there was going to be no rebrands on this line-up. Knew that was far too optimistic in their current situation.