Airbus A320 Crashes in Alps

[wesley]

sound of normal breathing all the way without a single word = stroke?

 

[DJMK4]

Ugh little grusome description for a family forum no?

Were all grownups here

Whilst he has a valid point, the result is likely to be death either way, however I still think there is a better method than just "trusting" cabin crew will not blert out the code if they have a knife pointed at their eyelid

 

[Qitarah]

Eurgh. How terrible is all of this.

Is there any possible logical explanation? According to the BBC "This action on the altitude controls can only be deliberate.". Pretty much looks like he wanted to end his life and take 200 others with him. If that's the case I hope there is a special spot in hell reserved for people like that.

 

[DJMK4]

sound of normal breathing all the way without a single word = stroke?

but didnt he disengauge autopilot, and then decend?

 

[Maverick2332]

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How wonderfully graphic.

 

[Edinho]

There is. It's designed for cases of pilot incapacitation. If there was a way to get in from the outside no matter what, it would be exploited by anyone (your standard terrorist) trying to get in.

The pilot was incapacitated - he was suicidal. I still think it's daft to have no way of getting in.

 

[Tefal]

There's probably a convoluted possible way to make it work, but it'd start getting very costly and in itself have additional risks. Eg. Anyone locked out can phone back to HQ and get the controls disabled in the cockpit, after looking at video feeds/the data/etc/etc.

Or say the override code from the outside is entered and there's an assessment made from a HQ - they look at the data from the systems, video from inside the cockpit and outside the door, etc, etc, then decide to allow the override from the outside or not (so basically they wouldn't if Osama Bin Laden was outside it with a gun). Obviously that probably gets fairly costly in terms of data, the systems could be disabled, it doesn't stop someone in the cockpit doing something extremely bad which can't be rectified in time (eg. put it in a fast, steep dive and start smashing up the instruments before the override can be actioned), etc.

override signals could potentially be hijacked though.

the simplest way is stick an armed air Marshal in the jump seat in the cockpit.

but he could be overpowered.

 

[balky12]

sound of normal breathing all the way without a single word = stroke?

Could be; but that doesn't answer why the request to open cockpit door was manually being denied.

 

[2StepSteve]

There must be some unreleased audio from the black box which directly proves that he intentionally set the plane to crash, otherwise it's a pretty big accusation to make this early on in the investigation.

 

[Ayahuasca]

sound of normal breathing all the way without a single word = stroke?

A stroke made him lock the door and put the plane in a decline?

 

[Robbo]

Sounds like pilot suicide then, better than mechanical failure in a way, but awful and hard to predict (with some people).

Could be something else though, hopefully they'll find out.

 

[Hitman_Leon]

I don't think anyone has said this or are indeed blaming Muslims for this.

Let's just hope there is some indication of why he did this at his home in the form of a video or a note, something, anything for the families.

I surmise that trying to draw conclusions and answer questions about any of what happened from anything written by or recorded by a person willing to do something so against logic and rational thought maybe very difficult for any of the relatives.

The main way anything found could be viewed in a positive sense maybe in any review of the events that could lead to changes in procedure during flights to try and prevent the same happening in future.

If however there is nothing of substance to be found there will be a free for all among news outlets trying to tear apart the pilots life clutching at anything to try and offer reasonable explanation of an unreasonable act.

Either way I doubt anything could possibly offer closure or comfort to anyone who lost a friend or family member in this incident.

 

[Tefal]

How wonderfully graphic.

i edited out the rape?

fact is everyone will break most not even in very long.

seriously even if you knew they would use the code to crash the plane think you could take someone hacking off your hand with not the sharpest pocket knife for a good 10 minutes?

 

[mid_gen]

I would like to see a system whereby cabin crew can raise an emergency distress signal, and if no contact can be made with the pilots and it is behaving erratically, the controls are locked out and the plane is brought down remotely.

The aircraft are perfectly capable of flying and landing themselves as is. We are really at the point now technology wise where an aircraft should not be capable of flying itself into the ground.

To people not trusting computers to enable this.....we are talking systems made by proper embedded systems engineers, not web developers.

 

[Cavallino]

i edited out the rape?

fact is everyone will break most not even in very long.

Jack Bauer would strongly disagree with you.

 

[dannyjo22]

My G/F works as a stewardess onboard the same type of plane (A319/A320)

Some of the rubbish being talked about on here is crazy. The Pilot/Co pilot can freely leave the cockpit as longs one of them stays in there.

The door lock can be overridden outside the cockpit by crew using a special code/sequence. This method is there incase both pilots are incap and the cabin crew need to enter the flightdeck.

Again given enough time there are tools onboard that could have managed to brake the door down to give access.

Sure a circuit breaker could have been pulled by the pilot remaining inside the cockpit disabling the door but struggle to believe that (More likely a malfunction with the door lock/code panel)

Seems your GF is filling you with more rubbish. Tell me all about these tools onboard that given time you can gain access? I'm sure I have spent more time than most on the 320 family and have never seen these mysterious tools.

seriously how long do you think you'd last?

Exactly, there are thousands of us that know the entry code into our buses. If you have a system where you can over ride it no matter what you may as well not lock them at all.

I have heard people have broken into them by ramming the door repeatedly with a galley cart but I can't confirm with my own eyes if it's possible, maybe with large repeated run ups but by that time you are likely in the mountain.

 

[albert]

I would like to see a system whereby cabin crew can raise an emergency distress signal, and if no contact can be made with the pilots and it is behaving erratically, the controls are locked out and the plane is brought down remotely.

I like this idea in theory , but then the crazy people would be able to remotely crash planes.

 

[Tefal]

I have heard people have broken into them by ramming the door repeatedly with a galley cart but I can't confirm with my own eyes if it's possible, maybe with large repeated run ups but by that time you are likely in the mountain.

i'd imagine the door opens outwards?

so that any attempt to bash it in doesn't just load the lock but pushes the door against the frame around all edges making it very hard to batter down as the load is spread out around the entire edge of the door rather than jsut the little locking bit and hinges.

 

[leaskovski]

And also reject the access request to the cockpit... No... It wasnt a stroke.

 

[mid_gen]

I like this idea in theory , but then the crazy people would be able to remotely crash planes.

It may not seem like it given the swiss cheese security a lot of companies employ with their latest website etc, but it is possible to make secure systems. There are countless specialist, critical embedded systems working everywhere, all the time. You don't hear about them failing or being hacked, because they don't.