When the second most powerful person in Europe (after Angela Merkel) says he wants an EU army, yes I do tend to think an EU army is more likely. These aren't stupid people, they aren't going to release a proposal that says from a certain date the British Army will be subsumed under the EU army - they'll do it gradually over the course of 20+ years with multiple treaties. It's how we ended up with the EU.
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When the second most powerful person in Europe (after Angela Merkel) says he wants an EU army, yes I do tend to think an EU army is more likely. These aren't stupid people, they aren't going to release a proposal that says from a certain date the British Army will be subsumed under the EU army - they'll do it gradually over the course of 20+ years with multiple treaties. It's how we ended up with the EU.
Hey that's not true, Farage does occasionally show up, insult everyone in the room and tell them their countries are ****!
Wait, that doesn't add to our respect in Europe does it...
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Yes, I would.
The sooner we're all under a single Euro flag rather an individual nation states the better imho.
I'd go further than that though and I'd like to see a one world government.
I think Cameron is worried that Ed would get the better of him, they are already way closer than they should be. Tory hate aside, Cameron has one of the best records of any leader in the continent, he *should* be able to go toe to to with a Tony Blair grade leader, however instead hes dueling in the polls with a Neil Kinnock grade leader.
Yes, I do. It's why I disagree with Sinn Fein standing for election to Westminster, why bother if you're not going to turn up.
Are you saying that you'd happily vote for someone, who will take a salary and expenses for a job, that they don't actually do?
Unlike a large proportion of this board, I like the EU, I think it does a fantastic job. I think it needs reform and changes, there is a lot of red tape and waste that can be cut down on, and I don't agree with all it's policies.
But to simply walk away from it, on the premise that we will be able to possibly, maybe, negotiate a better deal for our selves(ish) it just madness to me.
And in turn Miliband refuses to debate Farage, he didn't have the stones for that either despite Farage asking him directly face to face live on TV
If Farage can win against Clegg, he would destroy Miliband
Farage won against Clegg? You must have been watching a different debate (or watching it through your complimentary UKIP sunglasses), that debate was arguably a draw (I'm sure Farage and Clegg fans both think their guy won because he was the only one they paid attention too, but they were evenly matched).
So you'd expect UKIP, a political party committed to tearing down an institution, to work towards the betterment of that institution? I say that UKIP MEPs can do their job perfectly fine without doing so.
Anyway my point was, all the non-UKIP British MEPs are also ignored and irrelevent in Brussels. We have got to stop pretending otherwise.
I'm not sure what that would change.
If you wanted an audience share to represent the populations voting intention, still a vast majority of the audience would be against UKIP.
You are incorrect in assuming that UKIP are widely supported by right wing voters, you are ignoring the centre right - economically right wing, socially left wing who can't stand him. You also have a large section of pro-EU Conservatives who are also just as hostile towards him.
Finally, just to give an example - many of the people on this forum who can't stand UKIP vote for the Conservatives. Why on earth UKIP feel the need to cry bias whenever the public disagrees with them is beyond me, it's tiresome.
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I agree with you, I find the idea of boundaries abhorrent.
I'd rather they didn't try to tear it down personally. But if they don't like it, why bother to get elected to it, unless it's part of the same gravy train they often complain about?
Other MEPs are sometimes ignored yes, and you think the best response is to throw our toys out of the pram and say "Screw you guys, I'm going home"? Maybe if we had some MEPs who were in the majority coalition we would fair better and get our voices heard, we have been in opposition in Europe for many years, and in opposition there is very little you can change.
Why not stand up, grow a pair and work towards making Europe and the EU a better place for everyone?
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I always find that is a ridiculous argument tbh.
Sure, be anti-EU, sure campaign about leaving the EU - but while you are actually in it, and have put yourself forward to be an MEP and take a wage (and expenses) then to vote against your own countries national interests on the point of ideology is stupid beyond belief, petty and is cutting your nose off to spite your face.
Edit : ^ and what gobbo said
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In that case I assume you will leave your door open and let anybody into your house.
No it was a complete win for Farage across all three LBC debates, it wasn't even close ubersonic, it was widely published at the time.
IDS on Sky News atm saying zero hours contracts, he calls them flexible hours contracts, are good as it allows people who need flexible hours, carers etc, have them and are happy with them but completely ignoring the fact some employers abuse this system.
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I'll bet you'll point out that it doesn't count as the survey was polled for the Mirror, whilst simultaneously ignoring the fact that the company conducting the poll will have attempted to remove bias (as 99% of all polling organisations do or else thier work is useless and no-one would use them).
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Do you honestly believe that the woeful performance of UKIP MEPs does anything but damage our reputation?
All your complains and rhetoric about the establishment in westminster, yet you're happy for UKIPs MEPs to leach off the Eurozone whilst doing nothing to deserve it?
Just proves DP was talking out of his arse last night about Farage polling on the floor, there's only 8% between the top three
Personally i thought the last 30 mins was a total embarrassment and fell apart for both NS and EM as she was on her knees begging Ed to join her for a good 10-15 mins, i was practically cringing in my seat
Personally i thought the last 30 mins was a total embarrassment and fell apart for both NS and EM as she was on her knees begging Ed to join her for a good 10-15 mins, i was practically cringing in my seat
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