Schools - LOST THE PLOT?

thebennyboy · 27 Apr 2015 at 19:32

muon said:
Your statement may be around hair, but it extends to everything about a uniform policy.

Why is a mohican not allowed but half of one is allowed? Why is dying your hair allowed but not pink?

I'm not talking about one or the other, i'm talking about the 2 together. What i said was purely an example. As i said it is subjective, check the update to my last post.

muon · 27 Apr 2015 at 19:33

thebennyboy said:
I'm not talking about one or the other, i'm talking about the 2 together. What i said was purely an example. As i said it is subjective, check the update to my last post.

Well the point stands then. Why aren't both allowed in combination?

What about an extreme mohawk with a very long spiky stripe?

All of these rules are arbitrary. It is much easier to make a simple rule 99% of children follow anyway or can follow easily.

Surfer · 27 Apr 2015 at 19:37

A rule which has no rhyme or reason for being other than to indoctrinate children to conform....so that they may be good citizens..

Raymond Lin · 27 Apr 2015 at 19:39

Dave M said:
Hmm, you've said transgender discrimination would be okay for a teacher, an employee in a school - which is surely not correct?

I'm not sure what school policy has to do with that. If you are saying actually the law has an exclusion for teachers in a school, in which case that would be the law, and not a school policy.

Likewise if part of the human rights act applies to a specific situation, and you can bring a case, the school rules don't matter. I'm not exactly going out on a limb here am I?

I didn't say transgender discrimination at all...when did I say those words?

I said dress like a transvestite, in this context, fashion. Just like that haircut is.

Do you think it is okay for the staff to turn up in any dress attire they see fit within the boundaries of the law?

Or do you think there is some kind of school policy to form a kind of limits and set boundaries?

Caseh · 27 Apr 2015 at 19:42

skaif said:
Just to add to this....Schools nowadays are trying to prepare youngsters for the future, smart with uniforms and ensuring that the way they act and behave is in an appropriate manner. If a kid turned up like that in my class I would send him home as well, purely as it is not an appropriate hair cut in school.
Yes people will say that he is just a kid etc but at the end of the day, you have to follow the rules. It sucks at times but they are there to be followed. You have to remember that a school will have a duty to its students to provide the best they can and if they deem that hair cuts are bound by the rules then so be it, get on the PTA board and do something about it. And those saying that its ok at other schools, how good are those schools?
I find that the better schools are the ones with more rules and regulations to better control the learning environment. Worse case scenario send your kid to another school if its that bad!

Do you honestly not understand the hypocrisy in the above parts that I have put in bold?

Skeptic · 27 Apr 2015 at 19:42

Surfer said:
A rule which has no rhyme or reason for being other than to indoctrinate children to conform....so that they may be good citizens..

Or, perhaps kids might be encouraged to demonstrate their creativity, individuality, ideals, philosophy, and general world-view through more productive persuits - the subjects which they study?

Or they, you know, could 'stick it to the man' by opting for the lowest common denominator approach, like a haircut?

Roar87 · 27 Apr 2015 at 19:44

I used to wear my trainers at school and a jumper with a football logo on when ever I could get away with it, which was fairly often. Trying to stop kids from wanting to look cool in the eyes of their peers has only one outcome.

Martini1991 · 27 Apr 2015 at 19:47

Caseh said:
Do you honestly not understand the hypocrisy in the above parts that I have put in bold?

Why is my problem with "punishment" it's counter productive.
But apparently that's fine

Martini1991 · 27 Apr 2015 at 19:48

Skeptic said:
Or, perhaps kids might be encouraged to demonstrate their creativity, individuality, ideals, philosophy, and general world-view through more productive persuits - the subjects which they study?

Erm..

Doing your maths calculations differently?

Dave M · 27 Apr 2015 at 19:49

Raymond Lin said:
I didn't say transgender discrimination at all...when did I say those words?

I said dress like a transvestite, in this context, fashion. Just like that haircut is.

Well cross dressing was a bad example as it's one of the few things that is specifically protected in terms of dressing

Do you think it is okay for the staff to turn up in any dress attire they see fit within the boundaries of the law?

It's okay for an employer to enforce policies, with appropriate consultation, if they are not breaking any laws in doing so.

Or do you think there is some kind of school policy to form a kind of limits and set boundaries?

Umm, making less sense now, the rules are limits and boundaries - yes, pretty much the definition, and as above (I'm repeating myself now) they are fine so long as they are not trying to restrict any legally protected rights, if they are it doesn't matter how long the rule has been in place or how many people think it is reasonable - it's not legal.

And as I said many pages ago, proving that is not so easy but I don't think it's right to say bringing such a case is impossible (note, bring it to court, not necessarily win - you did say it would be impossible even to get it to court).

SPG · 27 Apr 2015 at 19:50

School rules, you broke them. Exactly the same when i grew up in the 70s.

Case closed.

School is for learning, learning the rules is lesson number 1.

Surfer · 27 Apr 2015 at 19:50

Skeptic said:
Or, perhaps kids might be encouraged to demonstrate their creativity, individuality, ideals, philosophy, and general world-view through more productive persuits - the subjects which they study?

Coz they can't do that with a number 2 haircut right? :rolleyes:

The very first shoots of creativity and expression a person growing up has.... is over what they look like...

Sliver · 27 Apr 2015 at 19:55

SilverTongue said:
Rules are rules whether we like them or not

Sorry OP but to my mind whilst it isn't extreme per se, to the school rules it would be. Though punishing him for it seems a bit wrong really, though if no punishment is given how are they supposed to enforce the rule?

What a completely mindless argument. The Nazi's had rules, the Taliban have rules, ISIS have rules. Rules that are stupid and/or immoral should not be blindly adhered to. This rule about children's hair is stupid and pointless. As an adult I like having my hair the way I WANT it. Nobody can force me to do otherwise. Children should also be free to have THEIR hair the way THEY want.

Skeptic · 27 Apr 2015 at 19:58

Martini1991 said:
Erm..

Doing your maths calculations differently?

What a closed minded view! If you think that maths is just about rote learning then...

Surfer said:
Coz they can't do that with a number 2 haircut right?

The very first shoots of creativity and expression a person growing up has.... is over what they look like...

I think we're done here. Keep fighting the good fight, man.

CapitalOne · 27 Apr 2015 at 20:01

Sliver said:
What a completely mindless argument. The Nazi's had rules, the Taliban have rules, ISIS have rules. Rules that are stupid and/or immoral should not be blindly adhered to. This rule about children's hair is stupid and pointless. As an adult I like having my hair the way I WANT it. Nobody can force me to do otherwise. Children should also be free to have THEIR hair the way THEY want.

Imagine saying that in person (with all the implied passion) in front of an audience of adults and keep a straight face.

Many apologies if it was sarcasm wasted on me.

First they came for the haircuts and i said nothing
Then they banned beachwear in the resort resteraunts and i did nothing
They they required me to wear a hat to Glorious Goodwood and i did nothing
Then they came for my turnups and there was nobody left

Allnamestaken · 27 Apr 2015 at 20:07

That is appalling, to treat a child like that because of a haircut? Schools are supposed to educate children not make them feel like criminals.

Absolutely ridiculous!

Sliver · 27 Apr 2015 at 20:08

CapitalOne said:
Imagine saying that in person (with all the implied passion) in front of an audience of adults and keep a straight face.

Many apologies if it was sarcasm wasted on me.

First they came for the haircuts and i said nothing
Then they banned beachwear in the resort resteraunts and i did nothing
They they required me to wear a hat to Glorious Goodwood and i did nothing
Then they came for my turnups and there was nobody left

I honestly have no idea what your point is. Are you trolling?

CapitalOne · 27 Apr 2015 at 20:14

You compared a school rule (and a very common one) on haircuts to ISIS and the Nazi movement. I realise this is how the internet works but isn't that a bit extreme?

I didn't mean to take the mick, but the indignity about hair rights was wasted on me.

Sliver · 27 Apr 2015 at 20:18

CapitalOne said:
You compared a school rule (and a very common one) on haircuts to ISIS and the Nazi movement. I realise this is how the internet works but isn't that a bit extreme?

I didn't mean to take the mick, but the indignity about hair rights was wasted on me.

I made a valid point. Contrasting analogies metaphorically is an effective way of demonstrating absurdity. Promulgation in this way helps drive a point home. Keep up !

Bear · 27 Apr 2015 at 20:21

SPG said:
School rules, you broke them. Exactly the same when i grew up in the 70s.

Case closed.

School is for learning, learning the rules is lesson number 1.

Exactly, seems pointless whining about something which is standard practice in most if not all schools. Don't like the rules, then find another way to educate your child.