Security guard injured in Texas Muhammed cartoon conference

Tefal · 5 May 2015 at 11:58

Efour said:
This lot? 2 "mental" untrained lone gunmen ? or is this lot Extremist Muslims? or Just Muslims? Ill ask all my muzzie mates at language lessons tomorrow if they think what these 2 guys did was justified.

EDL no they haven't yet, no ? I guess not, whats your point ? lol
Tip off the police if they are planning something maybe ?

its weird how i associate religious fanatics with patriotic fanatics... I guess fanatical type people are driven by the similar motives?

are you on drugs lately as you don't seem all there in this thread and others.

the charlie killers, lee rigby killers, this pair, what i mean is you're saying the EDL etc would be just as likely to do this kind of thing is they could get a gun easily but these attackers have gone to quite a lot of difficulty to get guns and when they couldn't have used knives cars etc.

so your point was a bit of a false one.

they seem to be the only group killing over this sort of thing, so trying to say the EDL or other people would do the same if you destroyed a flag is ********.

Tefal · 5 May 2015 at 12:08

OhEsEcks said:
That was the SWAT team,

i know they were a swat team i got that from the caption"swat team with dutch politician" all i was saying is most of them had absolutely zero markings etc to indicate police.

SciNeT · 5 May 2015 at 12:10

Event organiser interviewed on CNN, she's a real red blooded American :

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/04/us/texas-shooting-who-is-pamela-geller/index.html?eref=edition

olivier renault · 5 May 2015 at 13:20

She's think she's the Ann Coulter the world needs. Nonetheless...

NickK · 5 May 2015 at 13:25

SciNeT said:
Yep I can see concealed carry handgun applications going through the roof, they both had assault rifles, the policeman had a basic pistol, he plugged both of them even though they were wearing body armour. He certainly saved some lives with that handgun.

Good you agree

(I can't tell if that is sarcasm)

There's a difference between a trained individual and an untrained gun toting loon that high on adrenalin.

I also suspect the islamic nutcases that are part of the group that carried this out will add additional tactical training to their tick list.

dowie · 5 May 2015 at 13:29

Tefal said:
i know they were a swat team i got that from the caption"swat team with dutch politician" all i was saying is most of them had absolutely zero markings etc to indicate police.

US SWAT teams must attract a lot of walter mitty types these days...

Vulcan · 5 May 2015 at 13:38

Raz said:
It's very easy to take a stance when you don't appreciate the issues involved. A non-Muslim cannot generally understand the status the Prophet has to Muslims so cannot understand why they are offended.

Ah, the old "you don't understand" speech. I understand, but if you're a Muslim, he's important to you, not me. You don't get to shoot those who don't idolise him.

Raz said:
I did not know that. Muslims or others?

Muslim.

dowie said:
US SWAT teams must attract a lot of walter mitty types these days...

Midgets too apparently.

Efour · 5 May 2015 at 14:44

Tefal said:
are you on drugs lately as you don't seem all there in this thread and others.

the charlie killers, lee rigby killers, this pair, what i mean is you're saying the EDL etc would be just as likely to do this kind of thing is they could get a gun easily but these attackers have gone to quite a lot of difficulty to get guns and when they couldn't have used knives cars etc.

so your point was a bit of a false one.

they seem to be the only group killing over this sort of thing, so trying to say the EDL or other people would do the same if you destroyed a flag is ********.

Tefal i genuinely dont understand your reply (i've read it 5 times) and you don't understand mine so im not gonna reply to it and lets forget it..

Ill take a lesson in writing in short easy to read sentences that don't require any extra thought in future posts.

Also IS has taken response for the attack according to the press here so I no longer have to make terrible crappy analogies.

"We tell America that what is coming will be even bigger and more bitter, and that you will see the soldiers of the Islamic State do terrible things,"

So i guess thats open season in the US now.

kwerk · 5 May 2015 at 14:51

Tefal said:
i know they were a swat team i got that from the caption"swat team with dutch politician" all i was saying is most of them had absolutely zero markings etc to indicate police.

What are you talking about? It says "POLICE" right there on his milspec plate carrier, behind the extra M4 mags.

Skunkworks · 5 May 2015 at 15:19

Efour said:
"We tell America that what is coming will be even bigger and more bitter, and that you will see the soldiers of the Islamic State do terrible things,"

It would be difficult to do worse.

SciNeT · 5 May 2015 at 15:37

NickK said:
Good you agree (I can't tell if that is sarcasm)

There's a difference between a trained individual and an untrained gun toting loon that high on adrenalin.

I also suspect the islamic nutcases that are part of the group that carried this out will add additional tactical training to their tick list.

I am being serious, the cop with the pistol clearly saved people here, armed terrorists with body armour were fed a dose of red hot freedom with a basic handgun that anyone can carry in Texas. Even though the hero was a cop, it's still a great example for carrying weapons for the pro-gun lobbyists.

(it was a traffic cop that ventilated both of these whack jobs with his duty pistol - http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/05/04/prophet-mohammed-cartoon-shootings-texas/26858741/ )

Arthur Hucksake · 5 May 2015 at 16:01

Tefal said:
cause cartoons of children engaging in sex acts fall foul of the child porn laws?

Actually, it doesn't.

Look at Japanese Anime. Some of it is quite ridiculous tbh.

bitslice · 5 May 2015 at 16:05

Raz said:
A non-Muslim cannot generally understand the status the Prophet has to Muslims so cannot understand why they are offended.

Muslims have been too literal with Islam because it suits Imans to have the most violent interpretation of a religion in order to create political power amongst ignorant peasants.

And because everyone is a goat herder they don't realise how dumb it all is.

Prophet Teachings:

Jesus: Be nice to everyone, don't be nutjobs, celebrate LOLcats, pray to God because he is a cool dude and loves you.

Mo: You know what really ****es me off ? Kaffers drawing crappy cartoons and getting my beard wrong, I want you kill them all or no virgins for you.
And Jews, I hate them, behead them too.
I hate LOLcats.
I hate women.
Pray to me or else.

Now given that Prophet Mo followed on from Prophet Jesus, do you muslims really think he meant to go from a nice hippy guy to a frothing nutjob ?

No of course not, you are just reading your book all wrong.
Sort yourselves out before anyone else dies, m'kay ?

Vulcan · 5 May 2015 at 16:11

Arthur Hucksake said:
Actually, it doesn't.

Look at Japanese Anime. Some of it is quite ridiculous tbh.

This is a British forum, talking about an event in the US. Japanese law has no place here.

Skunkworks · 5 May 2015 at 16:14

SciNeT said:
I am being serious, the cop with the pistol clearly saved people here, armed terrorists with body armour were fed a dose of red hot freedom with a basic handgun that anyone can carry in Texas. Even though the hero was a cop, it's still a great example for carrying weapons for the pro-gun lobbyists.

(it was a traffic cop that ventilated both of these whack jobs with his duty pistol - http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/05/04/prophet-mohammed-cartoon-shootings-texas/26858741/ )

They're only tough guys against unarmed civvies. We need a few of these honey traps in the UK.

Raz · 5 May 2015 at 16:42

Longbow said:
Ah, the old "you don't understand" speech. I understand, but if you're a Muslim, he's important to you, not me. You don't get to shoot those who don't idolise him

I think you may be misunderstanding something here or the point I was making. It does not make a bit of difference whether someone idolises the Prophet but it does give context to why someone would take offence. It's not overly difficult to grasp. I've used examples unrelated to religion as well. I don't find cows sacred but I wouldn't use my 'right' to eat a beefburger in front of Hindu friends, because I know they would find it offensive.

And no, most non Muslims don't understand so don't bother with that.

Raz · 5 May 2015 at 16:43

Arthur Hucksake said:
Actually, it doesn't.

Look at Japanese Anime. Some of it is quite ridiculous tbh.

But mostly acceptable to their society

NickK · 5 May 2015 at 16:51

SciNeT said:
I am being serious, the cop with the pistol clearly saved people here, armed terrorists with body armour were fed a dose of red hot freedom with a basic handgun that anyone can carry in Texas. Even though the hero was a cop, it's still a great example for carrying weapons for the pro-gun lobbyists.

(it was a traffic cop that ventilated both of these whack jobs with his duty pistol - http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/05/04/prophet-mohammed-cartoon-shootings-texas/26858741/ )

So that's a trained individual with the background of not just firearms but incident control and a long history of it.

Try the same with a house owner with a gun.. it's likely they will not be lucky (because it's likely they went down the range once in the last year), and that they don't have the training (and police testing) about the impact of adrenalin has on the mind during incidents (that can cause people to act irrationally).

spoffle · 5 May 2015 at 16:58

scorza said:
No I think he's right whether he's being disingenuous or not - I don't think OldCoals is in this case, why do you think so?

He's very clearly being disingenuous. It's breaking it down to trivial components. It isn't much different to saying "they were only pulling a metal switch, what's wrong with that?" In refrence to them pulling the trigger of a gun.

We all know they were "only" drawing images. But they were very clearly doing it to be antagonistic. Hence my point, if you want to play with fire your risk of getting burnt increases significantly.

There's no excuse for what the nutjobs did, but it's idiotic to ignore what the other group did to instigate the situation. As I've said, I have no sympathy to the idiots that got themselves killed, they clearly had what was coming to them by acting like that.

OldCoals said:
Tell that to the 12 who died in France.

Tell them what?

Above&Beyond said:
Given there was heavy security surrounding the event I don't think anyone thought that. The problem is why the readiness to resort to extreme violence and why do a lot of Muslims sympathise or agree with violence being an answer in these situations?

I'm talking about people in this thread who are spering about the sanctity of free speech, and how it's being eroded. They don't seem to understand that the freedom to say what you want isn't freedom of the potential consequences that would arise of what you've chosen to say. In addition to that, people should exercise freedom of speech with responsibility. It isn't a right to carte blanche talk smack because you have the "right" to.

NickK · 5 May 2015 at 17:24

From discussions with an old Pakistani (grown up in Pakistan) work colleague on the subject of Islam as we used to catch the train home, two things are core:
Firstly. There is no capacity to question the existence, even hypothetical, of God, Prohet or Book or writings. Todo so impacts: the individual is not a believer (this is binary), their family is shamed by tainting and the individual is really a target.

Secondly. Everything starts as Truth and is discounted to falsehood. Rather than the more cynical western approach of false until proven true.

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