Theresa May confirms with Dimbleby that a Conservative majority will vote in the Snoopers' Charter

LateX'Dog said:
That's the problem, it doesn't.
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How on earth do you know that?

Unfortunately technology now allows naughty people to do very naughty things that weren't possible in the same way 15 years. Give up technology if you don't like the way things are going and live a simple life else its something we'll have to live with in this tech reliant world.

Replying with "well give me the keys to your house then" is such a truly out of context thing to say too!! :confused:
 
It should be noted that this bill will only maintain records and not content, so comparison to looking through your phone or snooping around your house are total scaremongering.

The Data Retention Regulations 2014 already keeps your email and telephone data for a period anyway, so its really only an extension of that.
 
Doesn't this communications bill just make isps and service providers record the event (i.e., that you loaded url abc.co.uk, or sent an email to [email protected]) and not the content of the message or webpage?

What is wrong with that? It's the same as phone companies are required to keep for phone calls now.

Edit: I see Burned Alive already confirmed this - so big balahoo about nothing imo. Just like the ID card sillyness under labour.
 
Dave M said:
Doesn't this communications bill just make isps and service providers record the event (i.e., that you loaded url abc.co.uk, or sent an email to [email protected]) and not the content of the message or webpage?

What is wrong with that? It's the same as phone companies are required to keep for phone calls now.
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Why is that any of their business though? I feel that it would be used for something other than just "anti-terrorism". Seeing as the record companies can already block pretty much anything they want. What's to stop them from using it for copyright enforcement?
 
Dave M said:
Doesn't this communications bill just make isps and service providers record the event (i.e., that you loaded url abc.co.uk, or sent an email to [email protected]) and not the content of the message or webpage?

What is wrong with that? It's the same as phone companies are required to keep for phone calls now.
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Yeah, that's the gist of it from what I've read. But tell that to the CT nuts in this thread and they won't believe you. ;)
 
thebennyboy said:
Why is that any of their business though? I feel that it would be used for something other than just "anti-terrorism". Seeing as the record companies can already block pretty much anything they want. What's to stop them from using it for copyright enforcement?
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How are they going to use it for copyright enforcement when they dont have a record of the content?

The whole point is that communication is becoming inherently more secure as technology becomes cheaper. Would you prefer that everyone can just hide all their communication and so the terrorist/extreme groups can just quietly go on about their business without being intercepted/tracked?
 
Burned_Alive said:
How are they going to use it for copyright enforcement when they dont have a record of the content?
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I was thinking more by the websites you are visiting, since it does say they record visited web addresses. Admittedly yes they couldn't see what you were doing on that site. I wonder what he was doing on the TPB. :p
 
Trouble with all this is, sure you might have nothing to hide... and you might not be doing anything illegal today.

What if what is legal today, becomes illegal tomorrow?
 
Burned_Alive said:
The whole point is that communication is becoming inherently more secure as technology becomes cheaper. Would you prefer that everyone can just hide all their communication and so the terrorist/extreme groups can just quietly go on about their business without being intercepted/tracked?
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You really think a terrorist would use google to search for "how to make a bomb" on their plusnet broadband completely unprotected? :rolleyes:

Only a terrorist as dumb as a gold fish would do that.
 
Terrorists and paedophiles, drug dealers and organised crime, all use the Dark Net. The vast majority of people never go there. Most people wouldn't know what the Tor browser was. I think this is where law enforcement focus's their efforts when monitoring suspects and people who appear on their radar from other intelligence. So the Snoopers Charter would be very effective in this area I feel.

Joe blogs firing off PM's and e-mails on Match.com won't be of interest I feel.
 
thebennyboy said:
I was thinking more by the websites you are visiting, since it does say they record visited web addresses. Admittedly yes they couldn't see what you were doing on that site. I wonder what he was doing on the TPB. :p
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If you're bothered about privacy in that context, you probably shouldnt be using torrents at all. ;)
 
Burned_Alive said:
If you're bothered about privacy in that context, you probably shouldnt be using torrents at all. ;)
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I don't, not a single pirated game/song on my PC. Stream all my music and just wait for game prices to come down before i buy them. Still not sure it's right to monitor your citizens though, whatever level it's done at. My issue is that it may be used for something other than "anti-terrorism".
 
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Raymond Lin said:
Eh, stop doing it tomorrow?
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There be records of you doing something in the past that is now illegal.

It can be used to totally discredit and control people.

We already see mis-use of the terrorism act to do things that have nothing to do with terrorism, just for example.



It could help target how to control society more, by having such tabs on peoples past.... it sucks.
 
thebennyboy said:
You really think a terrorist would use google to search for "how to make a bomb" on their plusnet broadband completely unprotected? :rolleyes:

Only a terrorist a dumb as a gold fish would do that.
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You'd be really surprised wouldn't you.

You only have to look at the Garland conference centre shooting which happened a few days ago. They were communicating openly through twitter and this how the FBI were alerted to the planned attack.

There are absolutely loads of recent incidents/attacks where criminals/terrorists have used the internet to help build their improvised devices or plan/coordinate attacks. Boston Bombings, Aurora Cinema Shootings, Germanwings Airline crash, the list goes on.

They are as daft as you think, but they're getting smarter which is why Government/Police need these powers.
 
Threepwood said:
There be records of you doing something in the past that is now illegal.

It can be used to totally discredit and control people.

We already see mis-use of the terrorism act to do things that have nothing to do with terrorism, just for example.



It could help target how to control society more, by having such tabs on peoples past.... it sucks.
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That would require that law to be retrospective. That law needs to be passed. It's one thing for them to look into what you are doing, quite another to make what you are doing illegal, never mind what you have been doing legal all these years illegal and for no one to oppose it. You are making quite a leap.
 
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