Transexual using female changing rooms?

Sega Mega Dave said:
If my son told me he was gay, I'd initially be upset but I could live with it and welcome anyone he bought home.

If he was like the subject being discussed I'd be ashamed.
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If you son told you he was gay and you were upset or your son was transgender and you were ashamed then the major problem he would have is having such a bigot for a father.
 
Orionaut said:
Homosexuality was considered a diagnosed medical condition not that long ago,
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There's a difference between older pseudoscience and gender dysphoria which was thought to be a mental condition but more and more evidence points towards a physiological cause.

Anyway, the point was that the poster would accept homosexuality but not gender dysphoria. That seems odd.

Terminal_Boy said:
Some of them a clearly optically challenged judging by their appearance.
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Indeed but it shows how society still judges people mostly on appearance.
 
Why do people assume a trans woman would strip off all her clothes and run around naked in any type of changing room?

I know a few trans woman, and I don't think any of them could imagine anything more painful and horrifying to consider than getting naked in public. Most have serious body image issues, and barely have the confidence to get naked alone in their bedrooms, never mind having the confidence to parade naked in public.

I feel sorry for the woman in the article. I can't imagine how degrading it must have been to have your identity invalidated because you might make someone else slightly uncomfortable. They basically told her that she was of less value as person than anyone else around her. I'd be complaining too.
 
Xordium said:
If you son told you he was gay and you were upset or your son was transgender and you were ashamed then the major problem he would have is having such a bigot for a father.
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Is it really? Maybe the father was looking forward to having a grandson/daughter. They would obviously be disappointed in that situation. Doesn't make them a bigot.
 
Mynight said:
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I just died :D
 
LordSplodge said:
There's also less disabled people than able bodied. Perhaps they should accommodate an able bodied world? :rolleyes:
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Slightly different. Disabled people are unable to adapt to some extent.

A person in a wheel chair cant walk up a flight of stairs. Some tranny can easily go into the dressing room of the sex they were born.
 
LordSplodge said:
There's a difference between older pseudoscience and gender dysphoria which was thought to be a mental condition but more and more evidence points towards a physiological cause.
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It seems like we classify undesirable things as mental disorders... now we're more accepting of people in same sex relationships then people who happen to have a natural attraction to their own gender - which isn't necessarily a choice and is a deviation from the norm is no longer classified as a mental disorder. On the other hand nonces are classified as having a mental disorder... though if the practices of ancient greeks were widespread today* I wonder if that situation might be a bit different.

someone who is say good at maths and a bit rubbish at reading/spelling might end up getting a special label of 'dyslexia', someone who is rubbish all round is just thick... unless they've got an IQ two standard deviations below the mean then they become a 'retard'

It all seems rather arbitrary

*not that I'd advocate they should be, it is probably quite useful that society keeps an eye on paedos
 
LordSplodge said:
There's also less disabled people than able bodied. Perhaps they should accommodate an able bodied world? :rolleyes:
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I think most disabled people do exactly that. I've a blind sister, and she doesn't expect the entire world to change to accommodate her blindness. She does things in a way that allows her to go about her business with as little inconvenience to the rest of us as possible.

Anyway, I am not against any provisions for the disabled people. Disabled bathrooms and ramp access etc is quite reasonable. The wholesale change of our gender norms to accommodate a trivial number of mentally ill people is not.
 
dowie said:
It seems like we classify undesirable things as mental disorders... now we're more accepting of people in same sex relationships then people who happen to have a natural attraction to their own gender - which isn't necessarily a choice and is a deviation from the norm is no longer classified as a mental disorder.

It all seems rather arbitrary
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But it isn't arbitrary, medical science moves forwards and conditions thought to be mental often have physiological causes. It seems that gender dysphoria is one of them and isn't just a mental condition.

Thompson_NCL said:
I think most disabled people do exactly that. I've a blind sister, and she doesn't expect the entire world to change to accommodate her blindness. She does things in a way that allows her to go about her business with as little inconvenience to the rest of us as possible.

Anyway, I am not against any provisions for the disabled people. Disabled bathrooms and ramp access etc is quite reasonable. The wholesale change of our gender norms to accommodate a trivial number of mentally ill people is not.
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I don't think those with gender dysphoria are expecting the whole world to adapt, just to be able to use the changing facilities they identify with.

As has been posted earlier it isn't like they will be running around the changing rooms naked. People with gender dysphoria normally have lots of body issues.

EDIT Also; "our gender norms"? You mean Western gender norms, some people like the Inuit have less of a hang up with gender.
 
LordSplodge said:
But it isn't arbitrary, medical science moves forwards and conditions thought to be mental often have physiological causes. It seems that gender dysphoria is one of them and isn't just a mental condition.
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the other poster refereed to homosexuality - it does seem pretty arbitrary and perhaps more a reflection of cultural norms that homosexuality, for example, is not a mental disorder but pedophilia is. Both are 'deviant' (I don't mean any offence towards gays in using that term).
 
dowie said:
the other poster refereed to homosexuality - it does seem pretty arbitrary and perhaps more a reflection of cultural norms that homosexuality, for example, is not a mental disorder but pedophilia is. Both are 'deviant' (I don't mean any offence towards gays in using that term).
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A lot is measured by what society deems acceptable. Thus homosexuality is accepted (mostly) as normal but pedophillia is not.
 
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