Following Farage's resignation-that-wasn't, the knives come out

Wouldn't PR just mean there would be more smaller minorities in Government. Making it easier for tit for tat counter voting to thrive?

Basically making it impossible to implement anything?

Countries like Germany manage just fine with coalition governments, as do many others. Our particular brand of democracy is bonkers. How can a party claim a majority when less than 30% of eligible voters chose them?
 
Wasn't the reform we wanted, The lib-dems wanted PR and so did the populous, but then they got watered down to AV and then it got promoted it seemed so complex and strange that everyone voted for the system they understood instead

I wouldn't say 42% was everyone! :D
 
Countries like Germany manage just fine with coalition governments, as do many others. Our particular brand of democracy is bonkers. How can a party claim a majority when less than 30% of eligible voters chose them?

Just because something works doesn't mean it's better. And yes, our brand of democracy isn't as democratic.
 
Labour and Lib-dems in tatters. Loving it. :)

Labour in tatters ? They have over 230 MP's. UKIP have 1 who will probably by kicked out next time around. No m8y, UKIP ARE in tatters, leaderless, no coherent policies outside of their xenophobic stance on immigration and Europe, constant gaffs by members revealing what scum they are, forcing them to make constant apologies which no one believes. They're a joke party and I'm loving it.
 
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Labour in tatters ? They have over 230 MP's. UKIP have 1 who will probably by kicked out next time around.

LOL 230 is the smallest Labour opposition since 1987!! It's in absolute crisis!

No m8y, UKIP ARE in tatters, leaderless, no coherent policies outside of their xenophobic stance on immigration and Europe, constant gaffs by members revealing what scum they are, forcing them to make constant apologies which no one believes. They're a joke party and I'm loving it.

All of this is complete ignorant twaddle and so far from reality, but then you're use to living in a fantasy where the Labour party hasn't been obliterated :rolleyes:

And Patrick O'Flynn starts to back-peddle: http://order-order.com/#_@/xoDqdUAMIX5y-g

I suspect this will blow over by the weekend and it will be business as usual.
 
Labour in tatters ? They have over 230 MP's. UKIP have 1 who will probably by kicked out next time around. No m8y, UKIP ARE in tatters, leaderless, no coherent policies outside of their xenophobic stance on immigration and Europe, constant gaffs by members revealing what scum they are, forcing them to make constant apologies which no one believes. They're a joke party and I'm loving it.

Labour also increased their total vote share despite being destroyed in Scotland, so Labour is actually doing well in England and Wales, they just did worse than anyone expected.

230 seats is a lot better than 1

This is the weakest majority government in 30 years so the opposition evidently did quite well
 
Labour also increased their total vote share despite being destroyed in Scotland, so Labour is actually doing well in England and Wales, they just did worse than anyone expected.

230 seats is a lot better than 1

Thank you for conveying a factual response. robgmun seems to live in a fact condom where the truth can never penetrate.
 
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Thank you for conveying a factual response. robgmun seems to live in a fact condom where the truth can never penetrate.

Ignore him, if you were to see the stuff that he reads and believes him then you realize there is no point wasting your breath.
 
Labour also increased their total vote share despite being destroyed in Scotland, so Labour is actually doing well in England and Wales, they just did worse than anyone expected.

The share of the vote fell by 5% over the 2010 elections, but what the hell do i know over some supposed statistician guru living in a another country.? And as i said before, this is the lowest number of seats for Labour since 1987, Labour are weak and uninfluential at the moment and extremely unlikely to reform in time for 2020, face it we're going to have a Tory led government until at least 2025
 
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The share of the vote fell by 5% over the 2010 elections, but what the hell do i know over some supposed statistician guru living in a another country. And as i said before, this is the lowest number of seats for Labour since 1987

In 2010, Labour's share of the vote was 29.0%.
In 2015, Labour's share of the vote was 30.4%.

That's a rise of 1.4% despite a wipeout in Scotland.

However, overall, I think I agree with robgmum: Labour are in real trouble. It's a different sort of trouble to that UKIP are in but it's serious none-the-less. In order to win they need to reclaim much of Scotland, appeal to disaffected UKIP voters, maintain their core voters and reach out to the middle ground. It's really hard to see how they can string together a set of policies that can meet all of those goals.
 
The share of the vote fell by 5% over the 2010 elections, but what the hell do i know over some supposed statistician guru living in a another country.? And as i said before, this is the lowest number of seats for Labour since 1987, Labour are weak and uninfluential at the moment and extremely unlikely to reform in time for 2020, face it we're going to have a Tory led government until at least 2025

Utter Nonsense from you as always
Labour vote share increased 1.5% since 2010:
http://www.bbc.com/news/election/2015/results
UK vote share change since 2010 after 650 of 650 seats
LAB +1.5%



Labours seats are low due to the SNP winning in Scotland. This is the weakest majority government in 30 years, so the competition from Labour and the other parties is extremely strong.
 
In 2010, Labour's share of the vote was 29.0%.
In 2015, Labour's share of the vote was 30.4%.

That's a rise of 1.4% despite a wipeout in Scotland.

However, overall, I think I agree with robgmum: Labour are in real trouble. It's a different sort of trouble to that UKIP are in but it's serious none-the-less. In order to win they need to reclaim much of Scotland, appeal to disaffected UKIP voters, maintain their core voters and reach out to the middle ground. It's really hard to see how they can string together a set of policies that can meet all of those goals.


I agree labour have a tough road ahead of them, almost entirely due to loosing scotland. My point was within England and Wales their voter share increased since 2010, the problem is the increase was not enough and not always in the right areas.


But I don't really care, they tried to become Conservative lite and lost the gamble.
 
Wasn't the reform we wanted, The lib-dems wanted PR and so did the populous, but then they got watered down to AV and then it got promoted it seemed so complex and strange that everyone voted for the system they understood instead

Spot on...
 
Wasn't the reform we wanted, The lib-dems wanted PR and so did the populous, but then they got watered down to AV and then it got promoted it seemed so complex and strange that everyone voted for the system they understood instead

The populous don't understand PR enough to want it. If we had a referendum on that it'd be rejected due to the confusion about local representation and how that would change. Getting change here whilst a great thing is extremely difficult.
 
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