*** The 2015 Gym Rats Thread ***

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I'm hoping it's just a little glitch while my body gets used to lifting heavy again...
Don't know how I managed a 165kg deadlift but I'm struggling with 110kg atm lol. :(

Don't worry about it, could just be simple fatigue, lack of sleep, increased stress, lack of food, almost anything. The same thing happened to me last week, I struggled with 115kg x 5, this week I managed 122.5kg x 10 and had more in me.
 
I've had the same, tried 167.5kg the other day which normally pops up no issues.
This looked like a balls out grinding horrible form absolute all out 1RM, should have bailed but dragged the bugger up and now I'm feeling a little tender.
 
I'll put it down to lack of sleep. Since I've been back (5 nights ago) I've had 4-5 hours sleep a night because the sun blares in my room waking me up at 7-8am. :( Even though I done several hours of exercise for 2 of the days.

Going to sleep now as I have to get up at 5:30am tomorrow. Hopefully get a peaceful 8 hours.
 
I'd definitely say lower back is the worst for me. Quads are definitely the most inconvenient though, stairs become your worst enemy.
 
Ah yes abs are pretty bad, you can't laugh or cough but suddenly the air is full of dust and everything is at least 100 times funnier than it was. Calves though, forget stairs, walking in general sucks!
 
I've had the same, tried 167.5kg the other day which normally pops up no issues.
This looked like a balls out grinding horrible form absolute all out 1RM, should have bailed but dragged the bugger up and now I'm feeling a little tender.

I'll put it down to lack of sleep. Since I've been back (5 nights ago) I've had 4-5 hours sleep a night because the sun blares in my room waking me up at 7-8am. :( Even though I done several hours of exercise for 2 of the days.

Going to sleep now as I have to get up at 5:30am tomorrow. Hopefully get a peaceful 8 hours.

I second this motion. Sometimes I have a huge drop off depending on how I feel that day, and I do have a bad habit of going to the gym when I feel like arse because I haven't had enough sleep.

It's not really conducive to gainz, but I haven't lost anything, yet. :o :p

If I had to get up at 5:30AM my body would shut down in protest, and all my gainz would go until I had a sleep.
 
Lamerz. Try obliques or adductors, then complain. ;)

AB wheel rollouts have taught me just how bad ab doms can be :D

I do think the worst is quads though.

Between the knee and the arse is RINSAGE if you get bad DOMS. The last time I did a thorough squat session, I got rinsed so hard, I could barely walk for a weak. It was a legitimate struggle to get about. I took to pulling myself about and up the stairs on that just to take some strain off my legs.

I've had it so bad I've fell down the stairs before because my legs decided to do jelly mode on me. A friend had to pick me up, which wasn't dignifying for either of us. :p
 
bros, advice pls.

been on dat der 1900cal cut (50/25/25 carbs/fat/protons) for a few months, seem to be stalling around 74kg. Not much in the way of visible abs yet. Should i persist with this, cut cals even more (and starve from poverty portions) or say sod it, up cals and hit the curlz hard? if the latter, how best to get back to sensible cals without getting fat as?
 
bros, advice pls.

been on dat der 1900cal cut (50/25/25 carbs/fat/protons) for a few months, seem to be stalling around 74kg. Not much in the way of visible abs yet. Should i persist with this, cut cals even more (and starve from poverty portions) or say sod it, up cals and hit the curlz hard? if the latter, how best to get back to sensible cals without getting fat as?

Weight static for more than a couple of weeks = eat less (or track more accurately if you think you're eating 1900cal but are really eating more). Your body hates you and prolonged dieting will make it do things to reduce the deficit (less NEAT, for example), so invariably either calories end up needing to be dropped further or deliberate low intensity activity needs to be added to keep things moving.

For gaining, depending on how much weight you've lost, your new maintenance might be virtually the same or maybe 5% less - just spend a couple of weeks post-diet seeing what amount of food keeps your weight relatively static (not including the post-diet gain from water/glycogen/more food in the digestive tract etc). You will alway gain fat in a surplus so rate of weight gain has to be slow - you need an anabolic environment to build new tissue and there isn't really a consensus on 'how much food makes 1lb of muscle' but just eating way over maint. will make you fatter quicker than maybe 5-10% over maint. Also the less lean you are, the worse your nutrient partitioning becomes and the more fat you'll get at the same same surplus than if you were a shredded kermit.

Also, tl;dr

Let this never be asked about again.
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In the last year or two, the above idea, taking a fairly extended period to return from dieting to maintenance has been called "reverse dieting" at least in the physique community. Basically in the same way that calories are often decreased over time while dieting, the idea is to gradually increase them when the diet is over. And while this is conceptually reasonable for the reasons I outlined above, some of the recommended durations are absurd and pointless to me.

Stories of dieters adding 5-10 grams of carbohydrate per week (which is actually almost unmeasurable in the first place) and spending weeks and weeks in a continued caloric deficit are common and taking weeks or months to raise calories is often recommended. Since this approach is often recommended to deal with the metabolic adaptations that occur with dieting, I fail to see how maintaining a low-calorie intake for 6 weeks to 3 months longer somehow solves the problem. And I see this as both pointless and ultimately self-destructive. Invariably, the idea is held up either as a way to slowly rebuild metabolism, which it doesn't do since all of the adaptation to dieting will more or less stay in place so long as calories are still below maintenance, or to avoid big water weight spikes. Certainly this second factor is a real issue, but I have to really question why the types of folks this approach is aimed at, typically post-contest physique athletes, can't get their head around the differences in bodyweight changes (from water and food in the GI) tract and actual body composition changes. Then again, telling a neurotically obsessed physique athletes not to be neurotic is like telling a cat not to cat. Regardless, from a physiological point of view, so long as you understand that any rapid weight gains are simply water and food in the GI tract, and that the water will be lost once the body get back into water balance, I see no point in taking more than two weeks to get from the dieting caloric intake to maintenance levels. Calories, both from carbohydrates and fats can be raised gradually day to do until the newly established maintenance level is reached. The same would go for the non-extreme dieter, adding food gradually over a two week period, maintaining the original dietary approach but with additions (in the form of pieces of fruit or even controlled amounts of carbohydrates and fats) gives the optimal balance between avoiding food problems and starting to reverse the metabolic adaptations that occur during dieting. For those who want more specific values, let's assume that the dieter is going to add 400-500 calories over this two week span. Divided daily that works out to 28-35 calories per day but since that's an amount of food that really isn't measurable, a plan of adding 100 calories every three days (this is about one piece of fruit or one cooked cup of rice or pasta) would fit into this scheme.

Related to the idea of reverse dieting is that of "building metabolic capacity". The idea here is that by gradually raising calories at the end of the diet, metabolic rate will increase and allow people to eat more without getting fat. Invariably the self-reports of people using this strategy report that they are "maintaining their bodyfat on much higher calories" but when you look at the actual numbers they are reporting, they are still in a dietary deficit relative to even their predicted adjusted maintenance. Basically, despite "eating more" these folks are still dieting and still prolonging the return of any sort of hormonal normalcy which, once again, will only occur once some bodyfat has been regained and they are at a near maintenance calorie level. Adding calories in a small amount in this way is simply delaying the process of any sort of metabolic or hormonal recovery towards even normal levels.

So why do these people maintain that they are maintaining their fat on "so many more calories"? First and foremost, while they may be eating more calories relative to the extremely low diet levels, they are still in in a deficit at the end of the day. The simple fact is that RMR only adjusts itself slightly (by perhaps 10%) over normal to increasing calories and only then when the body is being overfed above normal maintenance. And it takes fairly large scale overfeeding to even make that occur. RMR relative to bodyweight simply doesn't adapt that significantly in the first place (and any gain will be lost immediately when the next diet starts). Frequently they are also gaining weight fat/slightly and that alone is part of the supposed "building metabolic capacity" that is being reported.
This is compounded by the fact that the increased food intake is allowing these individuals to train more and harder. There is also the potential increase in NEAT since they aren't so exhausted from being on low-calories. They aren't gaining bodyfat not due to some magic building of metabolic capacity but because the energy out side of the equation is increasing as they are able to train more effectively.

The above terms, reverse dieting and building metabolic capacity are also used to describe a situation where, after reaching maintenance, individuals gradually increase calories over maintenance (once again at some drastically slow rate); effectively, in the same way that physique athletes often gradually decrease calories on the way down, they do the same on the way up. In premise this is supposed to raise the metabolic rate relative to current bodyweight with reports, once again, being of people "maintaining their bodyfat at much higher caloric intakes than before dieting." in hopes that during the next fat loss diet, calories won't have to go so low. But once again, research doesn't really support the idea. BMR only adjusts itself minimally with overfeeding and the impact on TEF is also minor. But when this slight increase is coupled with an increased amount of training and/or increases in NEAT, that alone can explain the supposed "new higher maintenance level". As well, when you consider how slowly true fat gain tends to be (even a 200 cal/day surplus is only predicted to increase bodyfat by maybe one pound every 3 weeks), it's easy to see how people can convince themselves that this is happening. There is often a slight weight gain during this time and that alone will serve to increase metabolic rate and the calories expended during activity.

All of which adds up to an increase in the energy out side of the equation but most of it is from factors that will disappear fairly quickly once the next dieting phase starts. Certainly starting with more muscle mass will have an effect but any increase in BMR relative to weight will go away, any effect from TEF will go away as soon as calories are restricted. It's currently unknown how quickly NEAT moves up or down but eventually it too will decrease as the body senses the energy deficit. So any of the so-called "metabolic capacity" which has been built will also disappear.

Also:
https://www.facebook.com/physiqonom...0.1432321978./820599964689919/?type=1&theater
 
anyone recommend a good Monday - Wednesday- Friday

weight routine.

done strong lifts and liked it but would like something a bit more feels like it misses out a lot of muscles.
 
anyone recommend a good Monday - Wednesday- Friday

weight routine.

done strong lifts and liked it but would like something a bit more feels like it misses out a lot of muscles.

Do Stronglifts with chin-ups, then. ;)

Serious point: depending on what you are after, there isn't much out there that is "better" than Stronglifts.

And I thought you were just asking for a body weight routine, anyway?
 
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